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NickMorgan

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Does anyone know how many of each model of Triumph are left in existence. I have just bought a Triumph 1300TC, which I don't think was ever marketed in the USA. There were over 35,000 of them produced, but it is believed that there are only about 30 now in existence. I know that the majority of TRs were sent to the USA and that the weather has been kind to them in many states. Does anyone have an idea of how many are left?
 
I think you pose an imponderable question here,that would depend very much on several terms being defined. I know of hedgerow full of tr3's and other sundry BLC's. They do "exist" but can only be good for parts. If you mean actually registered and useable, that should be pretty easy to come up with in this computer age.I agree that these cold numbers could never reflect the thousands of project cars that wait for that day when somebody finally gets around to restoring them.
I sold my trusty 60 tr3 many years ago and have never been able to find out where it ended up, though it must be on the road some where(it was restored).
MD(mad dog)
 
Tough, tough question. Mad Dog has already made some good points. Very tought to track down a definitive number.

1300TC? Is that a Toledo?
 
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Not exactly, it is the twin carb version of the FWD which proceeded the Toledo.

The same basic body was later converted to RWD when it became the Toledo.

I had the oportunity to buy one a while back and I somewhat regret the fact that I didn't.
Yisrael
 
Wow! A hedgerow of LBCs including TR3s. That has to be worth a photo or two!! (please) So let's look at cars that are registered for the road then. I would be interested to know how many there are over there. Then maybe we could estimate the number of "restoration projects".
I can't add much more about the 1300TC that isn't on that great web site. Basically is it a small saloon with front wheel drive and a Spitfire MkIII engine. I will post a picture when it arrives.
Crossing over a bit to a subject on the "Thru the windshield" thread, I would guess that about 80% of the TR3s in the UK have probably been repatriated from the USA. I am sorry to deprive you of them, but then again how many countries would build you a car and then buy it back thirty years later once it is worn out for more than twice the original price?!! MD maybe your car is over here now. You could try contacting the TR Register with the commission number.
 
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So it is a Toledo... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Not exactly, it is the twin carb version of the FWD which proceeded the Toledo.

The same basic body was later converted to RWD when it became the Toledo.

I had the oportunity to buy one a while back and I somewhat regret the fact that I didn't.
Yisrael

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I thought that the front wheel drives were also known as Toledo's and that the rear wheel drive didn't come until the 1500 engine but that there was also a 1500 fwd version along with the rwd version. Did they just refer to the front wheel drives as 1300's and 1300TC's then? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Just re-read the 'motorbase' page. Answered my own question. "...replaced in 1970 by the Toledo range..." /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
You are forgiven for being confused. The 1300 was the small front wheel drive saloon that was planned to replace the rear wheel drive Herald in 1965. As it was the Herald outlived the 1300. The 1300TC was the sportier version that was produced from 1967. In 1970 the 1500 succeeded the 1300TC, but the 1300 lived on for another year. The 1500 had a lengthened bonnet and boot and was less powerful than the 1300TC and used more fuel. To further confuse things Triumph brought out a cheaper option - the Toledo, which had the longer front, but retained the short boot. It was also rear wheel drive! A couple of years later the range of Dolomites was far simpler with a 1300, 1500, 1850 and Sprint. All rear wheel drive with the same body. I hope that has cleared things up for you!!!
Here's a picture of my car. I am still waiting to see it myself as I have had to trust the judgement of someone who viewed it for me.
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Hi,

In his books, Roger William's attempts to estimate the number of TRs still around. I don't know his sources. He doesn't say if he means running or not, or delve into their condition in any way. In some instances he tries to guestimate worldwide, USA and/or UK numbers. In most cases he adds pretty accurately known production/export (from England) numbers from factory records.

Here goes:

TR2, 1953-55: 8638 produced/5182 exported. Estimated 2500 remain worldwide, 1800 in the US, 600 in the UK. (Note: His US number seems very, very high to me, just based upon what shows up at typical British car meets.)

TR3, 1955-57: 13,377 produced/10,032 exported. Estimated 1700 worldwide, 900 in the US, 600 in the UK.

TR3A, 1957-62(I question his ending date, I thought it was '61): 58,309 produced/52,478 exported. 9500 survivors worldwide, doesn't break it down but the bulk were exported to the US, which is where most would likely be found today.

TR3"B", 1962: 3334 produced, all for export. 250-300 estimated to survive today.

TR4, 1961-65: 40,253 produced/36,803 exported. Estimated 4000 worldwide, 2550 of which are in the US.

TR4A, 1964-67: 28,465 produced/22,826 exported. Best guess, 4000 remain worldwide, of which 2500 are in the US and 1400 or so in the UK.

TR5, 1967-68: 2947 produced. These 150 bhp, petrol injected 6-cyl., RHD cars were not exported in any significant numbers. Approx. 800 thought remain in England. Only about 9 or 10 believed in the US.

TR250, 1967-68: 8480 of this LHD, carbureted model produced for the US market. 600 thought to survive.

TR6, 1969-76: 77,938 US/carb and 13,912 P.I. UK units produced. It's thought 6500 carbureted examples survive in the US, while about 4500 P.I. cars might be found elsewhere in the world.

TR7, 1975-81: 112,368 produced, 88,000 of which were exported. 3500-4000 worldwide, of which approx. 1000 are in the U.S., while "the majority" are in the UK.

TR8 (he doesn't state production years or export figures, and I'm too lazy to go look it up elsewhere): 2095 produced, 1250 of which thought to remain worldwide, but only 50 to 75 thought to be in the UK.

Since he's writing about the TR line specifically, no numbers for Spits, GT6 or various other Triumphs are cited.

Hope this partial answer helps! www.vtr.org might have more info. Also you may check TRA (www.triumphregister.com) and www.triumphowners.com

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...and there's always my web site, primarily for Sports 6 and Herald models, as well as Triumph 10, Mayflower and assorted other Standard-Triumph survivors in and about the North American continent. (Yes, there are a few cars from other countries and continents listed as well.)

It started primarily to collect data for various purposes on survivors of the US-only Sports 6 run of 679 convertibles and expanded from there. I've not counted entries recently (oh, and I'm due for an update with new data collected), but I've actually come across a respectable number of these cars. But information keeps coming in all the time, so there may be lots more of all these cars out there waiting to be discovered! One can hope....
 
Thanks guys for some interesting figures and great web sites. It seems there are quite a high proportion of the sporting Triumphs left. Certainly far more than there are of the old saloons. The Triumph Registry web site is also very interesting: https://www.trregistry.com/start/registry/html/
I can see that I am going to be sitting in front of the computer for several more hours checking out triumphowners.com and triumph-herald.us
Thanks again.
Nick
 
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