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I Need a Header!

danstr6

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I am in the middle of a frame off restoration of my '76 TR6. I would like to replace the stock exhaust manifold with a header before I put the body tub back on the frame. Everywhere I look, I see headers listed for TR6's up to '75. What is the difference? Will a header for a '75 work with a '76? I have dual exhaust system right now. I don't need anything super high performance. Just looking for a little more horsepower and better sound. Thanks for the help.
 
Hi Dan

As far as I know the stock manifold for 75 and 76 cars are the same - that's what the parts catalogues say, anyway! The earlier dual pipe stock manifold (72/3 to 74?) woudl also fit, or I hope it will - I just bought one of those on ebay for my '75. I think the TR6 is often listed as being available from 69-75 since that's when they stopped making them for everywhere but USA - only America got the TR6 after the TR7 was introduced.

Hope that helps
Alistair
 
I believe that 75-76 was the year triumph was forced to use air injection into the exhaust system to meet emission standards. Header manufacturers cannot legally offer product that would undo that smog system. Hence no advertising for 76 TR6's.

The 72-75 header will bolt to a 76 head but will no longer meet smog requirements in some jurisdictions (like Calif)
 
I'm not sure what else you've done to your motor, and not to discourage your desire for a header (they are sexy,) but you may be surprised that performance improvements with a header alone may not put the hp and torque where you might want it in the power band. Headers are also loud. The two outlet cast manifold, especially with a sport exhaust is a nice system. Headers typically move the torque/hp up the RPM band, and may worsen low end performance. I've got a falcon header with their twin "sport" system. I've not put the car on the dyno, but I think it has less "grunt" under 4000 rpms than with the cast manifold. However, as my engine approaches 6000 rpms it really screams with the header (GP2 1.65:1 roller rockers, 9.5 compression, triple strombergs)
Duckspuddle
 
I agree with Duck. Unless you are planning on doing other things to the engine, you are better off with the stock cast exhaust manifold. As you say, it is a split system, slightly less backpressure than a single. The car is plenty "sporty" in stock mode, headers will do nothing. Also, headers are a bear to fit, any brand, even the best. I would recommend sending your cast manifold off to JetHot and have it cleaned and plated. Slight performance increase, really dresses up the engine bay with that bright finish. And the finish lasts. I had mine done and it was quite impressive. Now have headers and just about everything else you can imagine to the engine as Duck above.

Stay stock.
 
Sometimes I wish mine were still stock, so I wouldn't be driving around like a 60-year-old maniac all the time.
 
TR6BILL said:
Also, headers are a bear to fit, any brand, even the best.

I would say that is mostly true. Though the more expensive headers tend to fit better. Evidentley I built my engine under a lucky star since my headers bolted right up, no leaks, no fitting issues. Easy peasy lemon squeezy.

If your stock or only milding building the engine, the stock manifold is supposed to be good for about 150hp. It worked for the early PI cars so that estimate can't be that far off.

Before my header I REALLY liked the Falcon Twin Sports System on my stock engine and exhaust manifold.
 
Shawn, you say before your header you really liked the falcon twin system. Do you like the system less now? I ask this because I had the twin system with the cast manifold for quite a while and really liked the way it sounded on my stock engine. Later, I modified the engine quite a bit and added the "group 44 header" (falcon). I wish I could say I still like the sound. At high rpms I love it, but at less than 4000 rpms I think it sounds harsh, akin to glasspacks on my old GTO.
Joe
 
Hi,

For general street use, a 6-3-1 design like this will give best performance... This is the sort of header that was used on endurance racing TRs, Sebring 12 Hours and such.

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This is available from Moss.

Note that the primary tubes of the above header aren't particularly long. And, there still needs to be a collector to bring the three secondary tubes together into a single, larger pipe.

The 6-3-1 design is a true "extractor". Other designs, 6-2-1 or 6-into-1, are not extractor headers.

The least friendly design for the street is the Pacesetter/Monza/Group 44 type, a 6-into-1 with very long primaries. It will give the most HP, but only at peak rpms much higher than most street cars typically achieve and at the expense of low- to mid-rpm smoothness and performance. This type header was designed for road race cars and rally cars.

Behind the collector, the remainder of the exhaust system is important, too. The best performance will be with a single, oversize pipe. For the street I'd suggest a 2.25 or 2.5" pipe maximum on a TR6 motor. This is another area where going too large can have a negative effect on low- and mid-rpm performance.

Alternatively, many folks like the dual exhaust look and sound (me included). But be aware it cannot not be quite as efficient as a single, free flowing exhaust would be.

"Sport" exhaust systems offered for TR6 by most vendors are dual exhaust. If you wanted a single exhaust, it would probably need to be custom made locally.

The ready-made dual sport systems offered by most vendors may need a special pipe to re-split the exhaust right after the header 3-into-1 collector (Moss might offer one for use with the header they sell).

Often a performance header/exhaust system seems a bit noisy and harsh when brand new. After 1000 miles or so to "season" and I think you will find it mellows out a bit. This is because there is always a bit of minor leakage and the pipes and muffler aren't yet coated with some exhaust deposits. Once they are, they generally settle down a bit.

Yes, as noted already, an exhaust header will be noisier than the stock cast manifold, too. The thinner tube wall allows more noise to pass and you'll hear it in the car. Again, this will settle down somewhat when there are some miles on the car. And, if the header is stainless steel you might consider wrapping it.

Header wrap not only knocks down noise a bit, it also helps reduce ambient temperatures under the hood. Exhaust headers radiate more heat into the engine compartment than the the stock cast header do, too.

But, it's only recommended to wrap stainless steel headers, as mild steel will not be able to handle the heat and will be prone to much earlier failure.

Mild steel headers can be ceramic coated, just as was suggested above for the stock manifold.

Either ceramic coating or wrapping headers also has the benefit of keeping exhaust temps higher inside the system, which helps it scavange better and can give another bit of performance boost.
 
An old friend of mine always sez..."The louder the muffler the heavier the foot".

He does custom exhaust work and tells me 95% of his customers that install "modified" exhaust come back to complain about poor gas mileage...

I think he's right!
 
Hi Dan,

I agree with all of the above.

In my opinion the easiest and cheapest way to add a bit more power with no downside is to skim the head for higher compression.

While the head is off match the inlet and exhaust ports to the manifolds tapering in for about one inch.
After that I would consider using an electric fan, as it eliminates a small parasitic loss, perhaps 2-3bhp, cools the engine better in traffic and allows faster warmup.

Next item on my list would be K&N filters, and maybe then the header.

Of course, this is just an opinion, I'm sure you will have your own preferences!

Simon.
 
I'd say the cheapest way would be adding an electric fan. Supposed to be good for 6hp, which with 100 stock isn't chump change, and way less work than pulling the head!
 
duckspuddle said:
Shawn, you say before your header you really liked the falcon twin system. Do you like the system less now? I ask this because I had the twin system with the cast manifold for quite a while and really liked the way it sounded on my stock engine. Later, I modified the engine quite a bit and added the "group 44 header" (falcon). I wish I could say I still like the sound. At high rpms I love it, but at less than 4000 rpms I think it sounds harsh, akin to glasspacks on my old GTO.
Joe

No, I still like the system but now it has a big header (like a Group 44 but not a Falcon) and the engine is built for 'improved' performance. It is quite a bit louder (no surprise) but still quiets down while cruising. The slightest change in throttle position will bring back that harshness that you referred to though. Conversation without yelling is challenging while I am accelerating.

What is interesting though is that with the higher compression, GP3 Cam, Tri carbs, header and Twin Sports system, the car sounds much meaner than what it is. Its bark and rumble now attracts the Mustang and Camaro crowd and scares most of the import crowds. /bcforum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif I find it very flattering in a weird car guy sort of way. Gets lots of thumbs up from people at Hot Rod shows as well.

But the sound of the Twin Sports on a stock engine is REALLY nice. Which is why I immediately recommend it to anyone wanting a bit more than stock exhaust.
 
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