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Janet's Venza has that feature. I understand and even appreciate the reasoning behind it, but I'm not sure I like it, as it's almost an abrupt movement. I can imagine over-reacting to it, jerking the steering wheel back and maybe causing a different problem. Or if one is moving over to avoid someone in the next lane wandering over and the "assist" pulls one back into the wanderer. I've turned it off at times when I'm driving, as it can be distracting - maybe the sensitivity of the system can be adjusted...

Still a luddite, I guess. 🤷‍♂️
Ditto.

I get it, the system on the whole is probably better for all. But I don’t like it. For example I like to give trucks and bicycles a wider berth, and these assisting systems don’t like that!

Having said that, I’ve never had such a system on a car I’ve owned. I only used it on rental cars. Perhaps, like most new technology, once you figure it out, it has its place.
 
Ditto.

I get it, the system on the whole is probably better for all. But I don’t like it. For example I like to give trucks and bicycles a wider berth, and these assisting systems don’t like that!

Having said that, I’ve never had such a system on a car I’ve owned. I only used it on rental cars. Perhaps, like most new technology, once you figure it out, it has its place.
It surprised me in a rental. If I'm in the left seat it means I'm the AC. The machine should only do what I input.

A.I. has its place... in a TOASTER. :devilgrin:
 
It surprised me in a rental. If I'm in the left seat it means I'm the AC. The machine should only do what I input.

A.I. has its place... in a TOASTER. :devilgrin:
Agree!
 
For example I like to give trucks and bicycles a wider berth, and these assisting systems don’t like that!
Maybe different systems work differently, but the lane assist on my Telluride is no problem at all. If I give positive input to the wheel, it doesn't try to wrest control from me. It's smart enough to let me easily over ride it. We have hundreds of bikes on the shoulders of Rt66 and I never have any trouble at all moving a little to the left to give them more room. The system will chime at me when I get close to the center line, but it doesn't try to jerk me back over. For me, the lane assist on the Telly is just the right amount of "assist" without being obnoxious.
 
We are all from the same self-sufficient era, read Luddite
Not all of us. Yes, I’m from that era BUT, I do embrace technology. As of now AI makes me worried that it can (and probably will) be used for nefarious purposes. On the other hand, it could do great and wonderful things in fields like medicine, etc. The genie needs to be kept in the bottle until there are safety protocols.
 
Maybe different systems work differently, but the lane assist on my Telluride is no problem at all. If I give positive input to the wheel, it doesn't try to wrest control from me. It's smart enough to let me easily over ride it. We have hundreds of bikes on the shoulders of Rt66 and I never have any trouble at all moving a little to the left to give them more room. The system will chime at me when I get close to the center line, but it doesn't try to jerk me back over. For me, the lane assist on the Telly is just the right amount of "assist" without being obnoxious.
Good points, thank you. Again, my interaction has been brief experiences, for at most a week, with a rental (with the usual questionable condition of tires, and maintenance). The car never “took over” the steering input, but I found the “reminders” a little unnerving (steering wheel twitches and bings).

Much of my sentiment would probably resolve with more time at the wheel using the technology. Like Gliderman, I am a Luddite who tries hard to embrace technology!
 
Good points, thank you. Again, my interaction has been brief experiences, for at most a week, with a rental (with the usual questionable condition of tires, and maintenance). The car never “took over” the steering input, but I found the “reminders” a little unnerving (steering wheel twitches and bings).

Much of my sentiment would probably resolve with more time at the wheel using the technology. Like Gliderman, I am a Luddite who tries hard to embrace technology!
I definitely would not consider myself a Luddite. I am not at all opposed to technology and always choose to utilize it. Especially when it makes tasks so much easier.
 
Though I'm younger than many of you, I plan on never owning another car newer than my Miata. I appreciate the lack of bs added into cars to assist the brain dead of today. I suppose I am also a luddite.
 
I definitely would not consider myself a Luddite. I am not at all opposed to technology and always choose to utilize it. Especially when it makes tasks so much easier.
Apologies. I misinterpreted your post!

Like you, I try to embrace technology. However, remain a firm Luddite in certain regards. I'm sitting at my great-grandfather's desk from c. 1920. Our 1930's house has ancient drafty windows. I enjoy ownership of my LBC - and should I win the lottery my it would be joined by an LAC: Large American Car, a Packard of 1940's vintage. Etc. But a talking GPS in my phone - yes, please! I work in robotics. LED lights throughout the house. Technology has it's place and has done wonderous things for the quality of life.
 
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Apologies - I misinterpreted your post!
No worries at all. To fess up, in my referee bag I have an electronic whistle I bought but I still use my lung powered whistle :cheers:
 
Admittedly, where it concerns cars I don't want to see A.I. If someone is supposed to be the "driver" they should be able to competently drive. A car should do three basic things; go, stop and turn. All at the behest of the driver. IMO A.I. is catering to the lowest common denominator AFA skill level is concerned. A favorite bumper sticker of long ago was: "Don't ban high performance cars. Ban low performance drivers!"
I'd be in favor of legitimizing Azimov's "Three Laws of Robotics" before things progress much further.

I guess I'm a "selective luddite." A geek in many other ways, in that I've been an auto tech, a computer assembly and networking guy, pretty much a self-sufficient individual. A belief that advances in technology should be useful rather than controlling. We're seeing more of the latter being introduced lately. I expect the day: "I can't do that, Dave." is much too likely coming.
 
Pandora's Box comes to mind...
 
Isn't a carburetor, or a vacuum advance distributor, a form of A.I.?

:angel3:
 
Isn't a carburetor, or a vacuum advance distributor, a form of A.I.?

:angel3:

Purely mechanical. No circuitry involved. Apples-to-oranges. They don't "think" they just DO.
 
Probably depends on how you define "think" ...
 
Pandora's Box comes to mind...

Admittedly, where it concerns cars I don't want to see A.I. If someone is supposed to be the "driver" they should be able to competently drive.

:devilish: Pandora says: I can certainly understand that sentiment, and I don't want a car to be completely AI (in other words, I still want to be the pilot in command). However, if some technology can enhance the safety of the car, and possibly help to keep me or my loved ones (not to mention my car) in one piece, then I'm willing to consider it.

An analogy would be today's modern aircraft. While it's true that the pilot is (and should be) still in command of the aircraft, today's jets have many systems that one would consider "AI" that serve to "assist" the pilot and help keep the hundreds of souls onboard safe. One such system is the Airborne Wind Shear Detection and Alert System, which alerts pilots to wind shear conditions ahead, kind of like the "Lane Assist" warns a driver if he is too close to the center line or the shoulder. The AWDAS was developed as a result of a catastrophic crash of an L-1011 in Dallas in 1985 in which the aircraft slammed into the ground while on final approach and 137 people were killed. The NTSB determined that a major factor was the plane hitting a micro burst (wind shear). So if you're a passenger on a jet coming in for a landing, and say there are T-storms in the area, would you want your plane to have this system on board, or would you rather just take your chances? (Spoiler Alert: The system is now mandated by the FAA for all commercial aircraft).

Bringing it back to cars, set aside for a moment our own infallible driving skills. Imagine a scenario where you're driving on a two lave country road. Coming the other direction, unseen by you due to the curve ahead, is a driver who is either young and inexperienced, tired, or God forbid under the influence. Just as this driver rounds the bend and comes into view, you see they have drifted over the center line, but you don't have time to react and a horrible head-on collision occurs. Had the person coming the other way had "lane assist," there is at least a chance (and a good chance IMHO) that they would not have crossed the center line.

As with any new technologies, early implementations are often less than perfect and refinements and improvements are made over time. Perhaps the implementations you've had experience with were earlier systems that felt too intrusive? I don't know, but I can say that the system in my Telly is not intrusive at all and I never feel like I'm not in complete control. In fact 99% of the time I'm not even aware it's there. (and an added benefit is that I get lower insurance premiums for having this systems in my car).

Another "AI" system that I have come to REALLY appreciate is my rear collision avoidance system. I'd guess that most people can relate to how unnerving it can be when backing out of a parking space at the local Shopping Mall, especially when some Van or truck is parked next to you. Even though we are as careful as humanly possible, most of us have had very close calls due to someone coming through the parking lot and we don't see them until the last moment. This rear collision avoidance system has radar sensors on the rear of the car that can detect when a car ( or pedestrian) is coming in either direction, even when we can't see. If the system detects that something is approaching, it will give an audible warning and the steering wheel gets your attention by vibrating.

Concluding thoughts: I don't want a self-driving car. I still want to be "in control" and not just a passenger. But I'm not against technology that can be used to alert me to situations that might help to keep me and others safer.
 
There are some things I have no issue with AI, but I like to drive myself using the old "manual" methods. And I don't see my home as wired and accessible to the net, too many chances for a hack since it isn't secure enough for me to be comfortable. But I do have computers, flat screen and other odds and ends to make life easier. But now that you can get a truck with "auto passing" would you trust it to zip through traffic on a two lane road or busy freeway??...
 
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