• Hey Guest!
    British Car Forum has been supporting enthusiasts for over 25 years by providing a great place to share our love for British cars. You can support our efforts by upgrading your membership for less than the dues of most car clubs. There are some perks with a member upgrade!

    **Upgrade Now**
    (PS: Upgraded members don't see this banner, nor will you see the Google ads that appear on the site.)
Tips
Tips

Horsepower

Talk to Tinster about obtaining parts in PR. Talk to Tinster about working on TR6's. Do not talk to Tinster about handling because he hasn't had the opportunity to drive his enough to appreciate the handling yet.

Yes, I feel that they do handle better and with a lot more power.
 
[ QUOTE ]
I like the handling and the look of the spit but hate the power. WHAT TO DO?

[/ QUOTE ]

Get a Spit, any Spit you like.... Get Kas Kastner's books (lot's of very radical and fast Spit racers in them) and any others books can find pertaining to Spitfires.... Then start tweakin' to your heart's content!

Put the car on a diet, stiffen it up and work on getting more out of the engine and making it bullet-proof.

Any vintage races or autocrosses in PR that you might want to run? If so, get their rulebook to see very specifically what's allowed in different classes before starting any mods.

There's lots that can be done incrementally and it should keep you busy in your garage for a few years.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/driving.gif
 
Okay! Ya got me curious, so I had to go look some stuff up...

The factory competition dept. was dyno-testing 120+ hp out of the 1147cc Spit motor, 130 hp out of the 1296cc and 150 from the 1500cc. The first two motors proved to be near bulletproof and won a lot of races. The 1500 had some problems early on that needed sorting out.

Of course, those HP figures are from an engine dyno (i.e., are not "rear wheel" HP) and were being produced by radically cammed race motors revving up and over 8000 rpm, probably with very high compression and 100 octane fuel. Those engines would have to have been carefully balanced to be able to achieve those rpms with stock crank and sometimes even stock conrods, as required by production class rules (later changed to allow upgraded conrods, thankfully). In all the Spit motors they built, Kastner said he only ever used two rings per piston: one oil control and one compression. But because the cars were run in production class, they had to stick with SU carbs, standard cyl. bores, stock valve sizes, standard rockers, etc. I seem to recall something about using a larger diameter cam follower, too.

Even with the 1147cc motor, they ran into somewhat of an "aerodynamic barrier" on the track at around 120 mph, before they ran out of engine! Significant lowering, front spoilers and some other tricks all eventually helped get the car closer to its full potential.

120, 130 or 150 hp in that small/light car sound like enough? Of course, with a streetable car "Your mileage may vary" a little!

Problems with the newly introduced 1500 engine were primarily in main bearing lubrication. This showed up when the first engines were put out on the race track and quickly broke (long before street cars experienced much trouble).

Testing showed that in stock form all was okay at low to mid rpms, but the front main was only seeing 10 psi oil pressure by about 4500 rpm. A little bit over 5000 rpm, the front main dropped to 0 psi. At the same time while, the rear main and the readings on the cockpit gauge were fine: 60 to 75+ psi.

Good grief! No wonder the crankshaft didn't last long when the engine was revved a little!

Initially the problem on the track was helped a lot by installing an external oil feed coming from the oil cooler directly to the mains. That helped insure an adequate oil supply and equal pressure to the all the bearings. It worked, but sounds like sort of a bandaid on the actual problem.

Later it became obvious that the original crankshafts had the main bearing oil supply holes drilled in the wrong location in the journals. Centrifugal force was pushing the oil out of the bearing before it could reach into the higher stress areas of the journal, and the problem became progressively worse as rpm increased.

The rear main got enough oil to compensate. But the front main was the last to receive oil, so there was no pressure left for it by the time the other mains had taken more than their share and "spun it off".

The poor crankshaft could only stand this for so long, before it gave up completely.

Replacement crankshafts were improved with a somewhat relocated oiling hole, but there are still a few more tuner tricks that can improve the situation even more.

Some day I'm gonna have to play around with a Spit with these engines for myself. Or, maybe a GT6 with the 2 liter (and some similar oil pressure problems!).

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cheers.gif
 
Tinster's almost got his running. Arrange to get togther with him and go for a ride before you buy anything and then make a decision.
 
I just got in touch with Tinster...Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. We have not spoken at all about the TR-6 or problems within Puerto Rico, just started a dialoge. I look foward to speaking with him more in depth and will let you know.

As far as the front main bearing not receiving enough oil, I have heard of this problem and have heard of people installing an external oil feed to compensate the centrifugal forces created by the crankshaft. iwonder how they got these things up to 8000 rpm without throwing the bearing to begin with???

Thanks again, and will continue the voyage.
 
TR6 handling is very different than the Spits...The Spit's actually isn't very good, but the FEEL is great. TR6 feel is a little heavier, but in terms of raw handling numbers, it's about the same. The TR tends to squat more in corners and under acceleration, but it is a wickedly fun car to drive.

And in terms of power, the TR6 feels faster than it is, and feel is the most important factor. The torque is great, and as I mentioned before, the car squats down, which gives the seat of the pants association of going fast. It is a ten-second car 0-60, but feels much faster.

The torque means you spin your tires punching the throttle out of corners. You can induce oversteer. So it is wickedly fun to drive.

But in actuality, a Miata can embarrass a TR6, which in turn, can destroy a Spit. The TR6 was out-dated from an engineering standpoint even before it debuted as a 1969 model, so any modern car can outrun it pretty easily...but that isn't the measure of a fun car.
 
It seems as though everyone has suggested to get a TR-6. (For what I would like to do with it). Tinster and I are continuing to send e-mails and will hopfully get together some day soon. Again thanks for all of the responses...I will be sure to let you know what goes on.

BillyB
 
Back
Top