shorn, yes i know about them, john at sports and classics is a "moss" agent, so youll be getting what moss sells, ive checked them out at length, i am buying one from him at great savings over the moss price, the "red" color leather he offers is the exact color as my original, if ordering red make sure you ask for the dark "ox blood" or it will be too pink, insist on samples, its the last thing ill ever be buying from him...long story. "TEMPUS FUGIT"