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waltesefalcon

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I know several of you guys really know your stuff when it comes to computers. I have a question about hard drives. I accepted a job which requires me to work from home for the most part, and was issued a lap top to do all of my computer stuff on. I am not a big fan of this lap top, so I have broken out my old desktop, an Alienware X51 R2 I bought used some years ago. This machine is running a 0PGRP5 motherboard, and an Intel i5-4400. It quit working around 2020 when the video card crapped out. I just replaced the video card with a Geforce GTX 970, and have it up and running. To bring it into the Obama era, I plan on upgrading the RAM to 16GB (doubling what it currently has), possibly upgrading the CPU, and upgrading the hard drive. I haven't built a computer in probably fifteen years, so my question is: has SSD replaced the need for an HDD? I am seeing a lot of 8TB drives in both formats, and I understand SSD is faster. Is an HDD still a viable option even though it is limited by rpms?
 
Walt - my experience at the air museum. On a Dell desktop two years ago (the database server), I replaced the HDD with an SSD. Definitely booted faster - but no discernible speed difference in running apps after initial boot. And several sources I checked reported a higher failure rate for SSD than HDD.

(And of course, be sure your old desktop can actually support an updated CPU, additional RAM, and new HD.)

I guess another issue would be does the company's laptop have any "hidden" and/or security apps that you can't port over to the desktop.

Just my experience anyway.
Tom M.
 
I have read too, though I don't have any personal experience using one, that over the long run an SSD isn't a good choice if you do a lot of write/delete type activities as the storage can have a limited compared to HDD number of changes to each spot before it can start showing errors.
I use HDD to store movies/TV and don't have issues with running slow or waiting when playing.
 
I have read too, though I don't have any personal experience using one, that over the long run an SSD isn't a good choice if you do a lot of write/delete type activities as the storage can have a limited compared to HDD number of changes to each spot before it can start showing errors.
I use HDD to store movies/TV and don't have issues with running slow or waiting when playing.

Most modern system OS's are already doing a huge amount of write/delete functions as part of their by the minute background operations, creating and rewriting temp files, log files, swap space, etc. Original SSDs (and USB sticks for that matter) had a very big problem with the write fatigue syndrome, because an SSD memory address can only change state a finite number of times before it becomes unstable. Newer devices work around this by rotating the writes across the entire device so one section isn't getting constantly hammered. This increases the useful lifespan but its still not infinite.

In a fixed environment (desktop machine that doesn't get moved around, good climate control and miminal dust/dirt) a rotational drive may well be more reliable than an SSD. I've had some that were over 30 year old still function (and yes I immediately made backups of them). The downside is it only takes one not-alltogether-hard shock or shake while its running to turn a rotating drive into a paperweight. I know people who had their laptop drives ruined just by moving it from one table to another too aggressively, and normal airline turbulence can kill one too. Plus they can be noisy, and they do generate heat.

SSDs are ideal for laptops or other devices that get transported around - until you slam it hard enough to physically break the circuit board it doesn't care about rough handling. They tolerate dust and heat better as well because there are no moving parts, and generate less heat/noise as well. They also draw less power so help with laptop battery life (also handy if you're sticking 5 ot 6 devices in one desktop machine too). Getting an SSD that is substantially larger than you really need will go a long way towards extending the lifespan because there are more memory addresses for the write cycles to be spread across. The closer to filled the SSD becomes, the fewer open spaces there are for the onboard firmware to use for rotating out the writes. Hard drives eventually can hit a similar limit but usually it manifests as overwritten sectors if you get too close to 100% full rather than a read/write failure due to a physical flaw.

Speed wise SSDs perform much faster when accessing many small files in quick succession, because there is no "seek" time required to move the heads from place to place. For large files the difference is less. Which is why booting up from an SSD is almost always faster than a rotational drive.

I use SSDs pretty much exclusivelly these days because of the speed, lower power requirements and toleration for less that ideal environment factors. I've seen one or 2 go non-responsive or unreliable, but they were older and smaller units that didn't have very good write cycle management. Also making sure that you host OS supports the SSD trim modes is important, because that is part of the write cycle management.
 
Thanks guys, that pretty much answers my question. SSDs have come a long ways but it sounds like they still aren't superior to HDD for a desk top. I'll just go with a good sized HDD and call it good.

Tom, For the things I am looking at doing my old motherboard will handle the changes just fine. That was the first thing I did, I looked at what a computer originally built over a decade ago could be expected to do, and set that as my goal. Hopefully I can get another ten years out of this machine and then I'll build a new one.
 
I have an old Toshiba Satellite P20.
Built for XP. Which would not run win7.
I replace the old HDD with an IDE caddy with an M Sata in it. The improvement was brilliant.
It now runs Win 7. And by modifying the inf file in the graphics driver runs it with Aero on.
Even thought the boards bud speeds are not as fast as Sata its still twice as fast as the old HDD.
Even opening folders and starting applications is quicker. With only 2 gig max ram it uses the hard drive as virtual ram which is far superior than a spinning disc.
I would use a small SSD say 128 gig just to run the OS and use larger Hdd for storage.
 
If you want speed. Use two SSD's set in raid 0 this makes read write speeds double that of a single disc. Downside is if one disc fails you loose it all.
Use raid 1 for redundancy if one disc fails you still have everything on the other.
 
I like dependability over speed. With 16gb of ram, I think I'll be okay with what I'm using the computer for.
 
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