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NutmegCT

NutmegCT

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It's one thing to have your laptop hacked, and lose data.

It's another thing to have your car hacked, and lose brakes.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-37426442

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Not sure I want my car to be "on the net" and me not in control.

eek
 
Tesla says they've fixed the problem and done an "over-the-air" update. Seemingly missing the point that "over-the-air" IS the problem.
 
GregW said:
Tesla says they've fixed the problem and done an "over-the-air" update. Seemingly missing the point that "over-the-air" IS the problem.
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I just like to drive. Zero interest - less than zero - in a car that drives me around. Besides which, imagine the cost to repair when things go wrong (and with electronics things always go wrong)
 
S.D. cars are a bad idea whose time has apparently come. What will it do when some creep is doing 30 mph in a 45 mph zone on a 2 or 3 lane road and holding up a long stream of traffic? What will it do when a small animal runs in front of your car? What will it do on an icy road? How long will you sit there when trying to break into a long line of never-ending traffic and no traffic signal to halt the stream? Just asking.
 
Self driving and drive by wire that some are experimenting with bother me. We all know that systems that work in aircraft get much more inspection and maintenance over it's life than almost any car gets. Not having a mechanical connection between the steering wheel and pedal and the functioning parts may be problematic several years down the road as rust and wear and damage take their toll. And will those who buy used but more or less functional because that's all they can afford be left with just their shoes??
 
Right on Mike, that is exactly my concern as well.
 
I've driven cars with "drive by wire" throttle/steering systems.
I hate them! You're constantly doing minor corrections with the steering,
& on my Wife's Ford Fusion,it's almost impossible to start out (5 speed)
without killing it,without a lot of concentration.
Also,I've been told that the newer appliances (refridgerators/stoves/etc.)
have a life of 4-5 years now.
I don't want to replace a car that often,IF I were buying new cars.
 
There are any number of hazards that an attentive (and I stress the word attentive) driver can avoid that I doubt a self-driving car will be able to. For example, if I see kids playing beside the road, I slow down. If I see a ball roll across the street, I stop (because a kid is likely to follow it). If I see a deer beside the road, I slow down, especially at night when you can see only their eyes. Can a self-driving car do that? I doubt it.

No thanks. I prefer to control the car.
 
Today's NY Times has a feature article on self-driving huge trucks being tested in California. Just what we need. As someone here posted a few weeks ago "what could go wrong?"
 
The proper place for much of this technology is operating as drone hauling cargo in tunnels under cities and in walled off limited access long distance roads where people/animals can't intrude. Then they can operate only needing to be aware of each other and the entrance/exit points with few unforeseen decisions to make. Unfortunately, that infrastructure doesn't currently exist.
 
The reason most (if not all) of us drive LBCs is because we enjoy the driving experience. For people who feel cars are just a way to get from point a to point b, SDCs make sense. Frankly, I'd think the technology would be more aware of its surroundings than a lot of drivers.
 
As a lawyer, I'm intrigued by the liability aspect of SD cars. Suppose SD car 1 hits SD car 2, crippling the driver for life - who is at fault? Tesla? I feel sorry for the judge who has to hear that case. And there will be cases, you can be sure. What will probably happen is a workers compensation type of system where everybody will get paid according to a strict schedule. No more big awards for pain and suffering. Even though I no longer take negligence cases, I intend as a matter of interest to read up on the literature to see how the legal system intends to deal with this.
 
pdplot said:
As a lawyer, I'm intrigued by the liability aspect of SD cars. Suppose SD car 1 hits SD car 2, crippling the driver for life - who is at fault? Tesla? I feel sorry for the judge who has to hear that case. And there will be cases, you can be sure. What will probably happen is a workers compensation type of system where everybody will get paid according to a strict schedule. No more big awards for pain and suffering. Even though I no longer take negligence cases, I intend as a matter of interest to read up on the literature to see how the legal system intends to deal with this.
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I just read (a few weeks ago) a commentary on the legal and ethical implications of self-driving cars. One scenario that was raised was the choice between hitting a pedestrian vs avoiding the pedestrian but running the car into a light pole. Do you program the car to kill/injure the pedestrian or the driver? Neither is ethically defensible in my opinion.
 
Keith - this reminds me of the "do I hit the car with only one passenger? or the school bus full of kids?" quandary

The mind boggles.
 
NutmegCT said:
Keith - this reminds me of the "do I hit the car with only one passenger? or the school bus full of kids?" quandary

The mind boggles.
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And, can the car tell the difference between a plastic barrel, which you could easily plow through to avoid a collision, and cement bollard? Does the car avoid the plastic barrel but run into another car or pedestrian? The problems seem almost limitless to me, and I just don't see how the technology will be up to the task in the near future. As mentioned earlier, the only exception might be limited-access roads that are designed especially for self-driving cars.
 
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