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Greetings I Am New Here, And I Own An XKE

Constance Martin

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I have not even lurked yet, so I am jumping in with no idea of what is PC.
First off, I don't own a Jaguar yet, hope to sooner or later.
Looking for a pre 1971 XKE Roadster. Finally my husband is buying me our Dream Car.
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So I will be here a lot asking questions.
Thank you all in advance.
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[ 10-04-2003: Message edited by: CCM ]</p>
 
I'm PC, but nobody's ever accused me of acting PC.

Anyway, welcome to the party. I think you'll find the crowd here to be a fun bunch, and quite informative too.


PC.
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[ 09-24-2003: Message edited by: PC ]</p>
 
<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by CCM:
I have not even lurked yet, so I am jumping in with no idea of what is PC.
First off, I don't own a Jaguar yet, hope to sooner or later.
Looking for a pre 1971 XKE Roadster. Finally my husband is buying me our Dream Car.
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So I will be here a lot asking questions.
Thank you all in advance.
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Welcome to our humble forum, CCM! As long as you are looking for a "pre-71" XKE Roadster, I will be bold and give you my opinion of exactly what you should be looking for. Now mind you, all XKEs are great cars, and I don't mean to denegrate any of them. However, if I were to recommend a particular year(s), it would be the 1967 Series I (or 1966 Series I as a close second). Why? Well, all XKEs are not created equal and there were many changes from its initial debute (circa 1962). The initial XKEs had bucket-like seats with rounded backs that were not super comfortable, especially on long trips. Later cars (I think around 64-65) chaged to a much improved seat. The early cars had a 3.8 litre XK engine which was uprated to 4.2 litre (I think 64 or 65?). Also, around that time the gearbox (transmission) was changed from what was known as the Moss "crash box" to a much better fully sychromesh gearbox. With the old box, it was impossible to downshift in some situations without double-clutching or being at a complete stop (for downshift to first). The later Synchro -gearbox was much easier and smoother to shift. All the early cars (up to 66 and some early 67s) have glass covered headlights (which I personally love). After that, the headlights were uncovered thanks to US safety requirements. Also all the early cars, up to and including the 67 Series I, have three SU carburators on the engine, making for a very powerful engine, plus a very nice-looking motor! In 68, when the series II came out, they changed to twin Zenith Stromberg carburators to meet US emissions requirements. Still a good strong engine, but the switch did rob the car of some of its power and I think the tripple SUs just look cooler under the bonnet than the smaller twin ZS's.

So, in summary, a 67 Series I would be the last year to have the glass-covered headlights, it would still have tripple SU carbs, it would have the improved seats, more legroom than early cars, a better transmission than early cars, the uprated 4.2 engine, etc. I just think the later series I cars (65-67) have the best of all the features, with 67 being the overall best. But again, that is not to say that the others are not great cars - they are and you would be happy with any of them I'm sure.

One word of caution - don't buy a fixer-upper unless you want to sink a lot of cash and time into the car to make it right. You're better off taking the time to find a really good example and paying a little more up front. It is also a good idea to have a competent Jag repair shop or person check out any potential cars you might be interested in (hidden rust is the bane of XKEs)

I have a 67 XKE roadster myself that I've owned for over 20 years and am currently in the process of restoring (again). The Tan XKE coupe you see at the top of most pages here was my 67 XKE that I owned in high school (no, I didn't have a rich daddy - I just had two after-school jobs!)

Again, welcome to the forum. I hope you will enjoy it here for years to come!

Cheers,
Basil

(I also own the place
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[ 09-24-2003: Message edited by: Basil ]</p>
 
Welcome too
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I see from your profile that you own a GT6. The motoring press used to consider it the Poor Mans Etype... now you want a Rich Mans Etpye too!! You'll be able to do a direct comparison at any rate!
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Have fun here, you've certainly come to the right place.

RG
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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by CCM:
I have not even lurked yet, so I am jumping in with no idea of what is PC.
First off, I don't own a Jaguar yet, hope to sooner or later.
Looking for a pre 1971 XKE Roadster. Finally my husband is buying me our Dream Car.
smile.gif

So I will be here a lot asking questions.
Thank you all in advance.
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I used to be PC, or used to be a PC, whichever way you prefer (long story). Welcome to the forum, I hope that you will find all the information and supportyou need. By the way, Basil knows his E-Types....some good advice there.
 
WOW!!!
Thank you for all the great information. DAM, my husband will be very happy with it all.
Also thank you for the warm welcomes.

Well we have two "Poor Man's Jaguars", we also own a beautiful 1972 240Z that is in mint condition. So it is normal to now evolve to the real thing...right?

I am glad I found this BB.
 
Welcome, CCM. I think you will find this to be the friendliest and most informative British car site that you could hope for. I just hope you have a good sense of humor, as after a bit, we tend to get a wee bit jocular!
I'll have to disagree with Basil as to the relative merits of the "E" Types, though. My '63, 3.8 was twice the car that my '65 4.2 was. But, that's a subjective thing. The 3.8 was lighter, more nimble, faster, and more fun to drive. In MY estimation. Maybe it's the fact that I tend to always root for the underdog. No more "E" Types, but I do have a '67 GT6 MkI.
Again, welcome, and good luck with all your LBC's.
Jeff
 
<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Bugeye58:
<snip> I'll have to disagree with Basil as to the relative merits of the "E" Types, though. My '63, 3.8 was twice the car that my '65 4.2 was. <hr></blockquote>

"Twice" the car? Maybe 1.667 the car, but surrely not twice!
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I will agree that it is a subjective thing. I've owned a 62, two 67's and a 70(v12) and they were all great cars in their own right. The 3.8 and 4.2 motors were essentially the same, just one has a slightly bigger bore than the other. Either way, the XK engine remains in my humble opinion one of the best engine designs ever in a sports car!

Basil
 
Welcome to this very interesting and informative forum. I am a British automobile restorer. The 6 cylinder E Type is one of our specialties. I will be glad to offer you free advice on aquiring one of these interesting and very beautiful cars. The series 2 E type made from about 1968 tdhrought 1971 is a very desireable car. Forget the advice on not getting a series 2 with Zenith Stromberg carburetors The Zentith two carb conbination is a very good package if you have them properly serviced. Same thing applies to 3 carb SU arrangement. IU am sure you will not be racing your car on the track so the reduced performance of the Zenith Stromberg two carb arrangement is not significant. Both carburetors are very good packages. If you have any specific questions, I will be glad to advise you. In regards to acqiring an E Type, get the best conditioned example that you can afford. You will save in the long run. DO NOT buy a rust bucket. Best Regards, Jack Farrington
 
<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by CCM:
Keep the information coming please.
I love it.
I like this one on ebay.....
https://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2433624958

But the husband is a bit leery.
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Thet are calling it a series I, but it is clearly a serie II. Not a bad price (so far) but I'd want to look at it up close (or have someone look at it for me).

Basil
 
The E type for sale on Ebay is a hybrid refered to by collectors as a series one and onehalf. In 1968 they bagan to slide in the series 2 and this is one of them. It has a series 2 mechanical configuration, dash board controls and the uncovered head lamps but has the series 1 tail and front running lights. It looks like a great car but is a bit pricey. It will probably be worth 50K in a couple of years. Best regards. Jack Farrington
 
<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by John S Farrington:
The E type for sale on Ebay is a hybrid refered to by collectors as a series one and onehalf. In 1968 they bagan to slide in the series 2 and this is one of them. It has a series 2 mechanical configuration, dash board controls and the uncovered head lamps but has the series 1 tail and front running lights. It looks like a great car but is a bit pricey. It will probably be worth 50K in a couple of years. Best regards. Jack Farrington<hr></blockquote>

John, I respectfully disagree. You are correct that the series one and a half was a hybrib between the Series I and Series II, but by Jan 69 the series II chassis was in full swing. The Ebay car has the earless knock-offs, introduced in Feb 69. Also, the seats are perforated leather, introduced in the Series II cars (I realize they could have been re-done). But also, the turn signal lights are not series I. Series I cars had the front and rear turn signal lights abover the bumper, Here's a picture of a Series I that I used to own:

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Compare this with the EBay Jag which has the turn signal lamps below the bumber:

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But the real clincher is that the ad lists the VIN as 1R-10815. If it were a Series 1 1/2, the VIN would start with 1E, not 1R. From looking at the changes made listed in Haddock's EType restoration guide, and based on the VIN they have listed, it looks like this car was made sometime between August and October 1969 - well into Series II production.

As for the price, I guess thats a subjective thing, but I can tell you that the OTS (Convertibles) are always going to command a higher price than the coupes or the 2+2s. According to one source that I trust, a 69 Convertible value would break out as follows:

1. Basket Case - $7/9,000
2. Poor Driver needing restoration - $12/15,000
3. Presentable Drive - $25/32,000
4. Good Restoration - $45/55,000
5. Concours - $65/75,000

It is very hard to tell without actually looking at it, but if their description is accurate, I would guess it to be somewhere between the 2nd and 3rd category. However, pictures can hide a multitude of sins (ask me how I know that
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), so if you could have a trusted agent look at it before bidding you would be miles ahead of the game. As for the other car - the one thing I am almost certain about (95 percent) is that teh Silver Opelecsent Blue cars did not come with light tan interior as this one has. I am almost certain that the only two int colors available from the factory for that color car in that year was light Grey and Dark Blue. (I could be wrong, but I don't think so, as I have that color car also) And that car is definitely pricy!

Basil

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[ 09-29-2003: Message edited by: Basil ]</p>
 
Bless you both!!!
Thank you, thank you.
I am learning so much here.
The Willow Green is sold, and not to me
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Let me know if you find anything, and I will post some others, for your educated critiques.
 
Basil, You are correct. I saw the front lights from another angle and made a snap decision that they were series one over the bumper. I bow to your observation . I also agree with your discussion of relative values. From an investment standpoint I do not recommend the 2+2 coupe. The coupe or roadster is the way to go. How are things in the great state of NewMexico? Best regards. Jack
 
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