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But at least they are metal! ( Ah-the good old days!) I rolled my 68 Camero across the Hollywood freeway- I should complain about teenage drivers..........??!!bought the twin cam MGA after that and she is still the love of my life!!Randi /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazyeyes.gif
 
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/iagree.gifI have to agree. The cars take a lot of flack based on the stereotypical attitude usually associated with them. Regardless of the vehicle, irresposibility behind the wheel, and in life in general is the true issue.

That's my rant for the day.
 
Like others have said, Japanese cars are fine. It's the posers and mutts that give them a bad name.

One of my favorite cars is the 88-89 Mitsubishi Starion ESiR(Chrysler Conquest TSi). I have owned 13 of them. It's one of those cars where you pull in to get gas and people come up asking what it is.

Ricers(posers) are the same from generation to generation. They have no mechanical ability or knowledge and basically just want a car that, they think, others will think is cool. They add body kits that are heavy and big wheels that are heavy and stereo systems that annoy the heck out of people and kill their alternators. They never try to hone their driving skills and, any real performance mods are just bolt on and they have no idea what it does or why.

Kids will be kids and the sad fact is that most of them are stupid and lack taste. Don’t hold it against the cars that the stupid ones abuse.

While I was in high school, others were putting stereos and body kits on their Mustangs and Camaros while I was converting my 80 TR7 to a 305 HO Chevy and being driven to school by my parents. When I was finished, they all wanted to race me…………….they all lost!
 
Although I am part of the ricer generation (15) I hate them more that I care to describe. The whole concept of them is just stupid, buy a cheap car with little factory performance and built for basic transport and then add as many brightly coloured parts as possible. The cars will never have any value or real performance. At 15 I am proud to be the owner of a 78 MGB and an 84 Camaro which I have no desire of moddifying much more. The MGB has a few cosmetic upgrades(see pic) and I plan to get a peco exhaust for it but not much more(maybe a supercharger later on??) The Camaro has a Magnaflow exhaust(gotta love that low rumble!) and a few minor little things(performance plugs, K&N filters ect.) and that the way it will stay. STOCK SOUND SYSTEMS IN BOTH CARS.Not that I have any personal experience in this time but to my understanding, in the "good ole days" if you were just a kid that wanted a fast car you'd find a cheap AMERICAN(or sometimes british) car that was already a car with realtively good performance(maybe a chevelle or Camaro)and learn how to work on it yourself, you'd read books, save your money, and basically became the car enthusiast that we are today. Now these ricers just buy the brightest and weirdest looking parts they can find, slap them on, and think they've created some sort of unbeatable Honda. If you take a look at some,not all, but alot of these the workman ship is horrible! Or they take things apart and never gewt it back together, I can't even remember how many ricers I've seen driving around missing door panels, bumpers, turn signals, and even hoods! The only pleasure I get from these cars is when I see them pull up to a real car and get smoked!

I guess I've rambled on long enough..........

Zack
 
I don't know what people have against "JAP" cars?
I've always loved Morgan three-wheelers!
 
I love old Japanese cars... especially the old Datsun roadsters and original Z cars (I actually owned a 1977 280Z). I also liked the Toyota 2000GT.

My next car may even be an old 240Z. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
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I don't know what people have against "JAP" cars?
I've always loved Morgan three-wheelers!

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Very subtle.

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I was wondering if anyone would get that joke...

The questions is: can anyone list the other engines offered in the Morgan trike?
 
Wow, *really* off topic. I guess this is "thread drifting" (or maybe it's "on-topic", since the sport-import crowd likes drifting).

Anyway....some early Mog trikes used Austin Seven engines. I'm sure they fitted Anzani engines too (who didn't, back then?)

The link below shows a Mog trike with an Austin four (I took it at Lime Rock in September).
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v170/aeronca65t/Lime_Rock_04/morgan.jpg


#8 in this group (taken at an earlier Lime Rock event) is a J.A. Prestwich-powered Mog.
https://photobucket.com/albums/v170/aeronca65t/Cars/?action=view&current=limerockgrp.jpg

On a related topic, I'm never really sure if "ricers" or "rice-rocket" is a truly *nice* term....I know one of my Asian friends isn't that keen on it.
Nowadays, with so many Chevy Cavaliers, Ford Focuses, Neons and Saturns in the mix, "sport- import " doesn't seem correct either. "Tuner cars", I guess.
 
Not really off topic, because it was a joke based on the fact Morgans used a bunch of engine suppliers, one of which was "JAP" ...

J.A.P. (J.A.Prestwich and Co. Ltd.) V-twin engines were used by the Morgan Company from 1909 onwards in form of the KT-series (Capacity: 980cc, bore x stroke: 85.7mm x 85mm), JT-series (996cc, 80mm x 99mm) and LT-series (1096cc, 85.7mm x 95mm) and either Air-cooled or Water-cooled, SV or OHV and in different stages of tuning.

J.A.P. KTW
A.C.U. Rating: 9.80hp.
Bore x Stroke: 85.7mm x 85mm.
Capacity: 980cc.
Weight: 90lbs.
Power: 26hp at 2600rpm.

J.A.P. JTOR
8/55 H.P. Racing Engine
A.C.U. Rating: 9.94hp.
Bore x Stroke: 80mm x 99mm.
Capacity: 996cc.
Weight: 133lbs.
Power: 55hp.

J.A.P. LTOW
the "Dog-Eared" Engine.
A.C.U. Rating: 10.96 hp.
Bore x Stroke: 85.7mm x 95mm.
Capacity: 1096cc.
Weight: 128lbs.
Power: 40bhp at 4200rpm.

M.A.G. engines have been used in the form of the 2C9A (Air-cooled, 993cc, 82mm x 94mm), 2C13A (Air-cooled, 1094cc, 82mm x 104mm) and 2C20A (Water-cooled, 1094cc, 82mm x 104mm). All are IOE engines with a cylinder-angle of 45deg.

M.A.G. 2C20A
A.C.U. Rating: 9hp.
Bore x Stroke: 82mm x104mm.
Capacity: 1094cc.
Cylinder-angle: 45deg.
Power: 26hp at 2600rpm.

From Blackburne (Burney Blackburne Ltd.) the engines of the type KMA, KMB (racing engine) and KMC (sports engine) have been used with good success. Many records have been gained with the Blackburne engines between 1923 and 1930 by Norris, Beart and Jackson.

Blackburne KMC
A.C.U. Rating: 10.96hp.
Bore x Stroke: 85mm x 96.8mm.
Capacity: 1098cc.
Cylinder-angle: 60deg.
Compression: 5.5 to 1.
Power: 40hp at 4000rpm.
Precision (1919)
A.C.U. Rating: 10.96hp.
Bore x Stroke: 85mm x 96mm.
Capacity: 1096cc.


Anzani M3
A.C.U. Rating: 10.96hp.
Bore x Stroke: 85mm x 95mm.
Capacity: 1078cc.
Cylinder-angle: 57deg.
Power: 40hp at 3000rpm.


Anzani 8-valve racing engine
A.C.U. Rating: 10.96hp.
Bore x Stroke: 85mm x 95mm.
Capacity: 1078cc.

Blumfield engine
A.C.U. Rating: 8hp.
Bore x Stroke: 85mm x 96mm.
Capacity: 1090cc.

The Matchless engines finally evolved from 1933 onwards. The MX was a SV, Water-cooled, 50deg V-twin with 27.5hp at 4000rpm. It was followed by the MX2, an OHV, Air-cooled engine with 39hp at 4600rpm. The MX4 was the Water-cooled version of the MX2 and claimed 42hp at 4800rpm.

Matchless MX4
A.C.U. Rating: 9.80hp.
Bore x Stroke: 85.5mm x 85.5mm.
Capacity: 990cc.
Cylinder-angle: 50deg.
Compression: 6.2 to 1.
Power: 42hp at 4800rpm.

The Ford E93A is an in-line 4-cylinder SV engine of 933cc (56.6mm x 92.5mm, 22hp at 3500rpm) or 1172cc (63.5mm x 92.5mm) and was used by Morgan only in the "F"-type models from 1933 until 1952, when the production of the three-wheelers came to an end.

Ford E93A
A.C.U. Rating: 10hp.
Bore x Stroke: 63.5mm x 92.5mm.
Capacity: 1172cc.
Max Torque: 36.4lb/ft at 2300rpm.
Power: 32hp at 4300rpm.
 
I am not familar with the Blumfield or M.A.G. engine. I've heard of Blackburne...forgot about that one.
I was going to also guess BSA, since they made a similar looking contraption.
By the way, the first car my Dad ever drove (in Ireland, in the late 30s) was a JAP-powered Mog trike.
 
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That doesn't look like an Austin engine to me - definitely not a Seven!

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Roger:

You're probably right...the label that I gave that picture is unclear. It may be a small Ford flathead (What else could it be?).
By the way, if you notice in the picture, all the Morgan trike vintage-racers seem to use motorcycle tires these days!

morgan.jpg
 
I'm 17 and have to go to high school with all these guys who drive these civics and such. It's not as much the looks of the cars that bother me or even the exhaust note, it's the people don't know anything. Some buy was bragging about him beating another person in a race so I asked him what all had he done to his car to make it go faster......the responce was the wing and body kit. One of the guys I have a class with swears up and down that is a car has AWD then it will go faster than a 2WD car with everything else on the cars the exact same.
 
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The question you need to ask is where? On a drag strip? On a gravel or dirt road course?

Bruce
 
most people today know nothing about cars, or even the rig they're driving. They leave it up to the dealer to take care of problems. Cars today have become less user serviceable, and more complicated, and this has spawned a generation of people who defer problems to the so called "experts." It seems to me that this happened during the latter part of the 80's and through the 90's up until today.
 
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One of the guys I have a class with swears up and down that is a car has AWD then it will go faster than a 2WD car with everything else on the cars the exact same.

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Well, of course, Adam. All four wheels are being driven, so there's less drag from wheels that are just rolling. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazyeyes.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazyeyes.gif

Seriously, Adam, you have a great opportunity to inform them, since you've taken the time and trouble to learn the ins and outs by building a car yourself.

Mickey
 
FWIW, I think that some of the tuner car guys get a bad rap from a percentage who really are bad. I had a friend with a 97 Supra who had done all the work on the car himself and had it cranking 510 HP to the wheels. He was, and still is, very knowledgable of cars of all types as well as their inner workings. His car also had the stock stereo system /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif.

I was also a part of another forum dealing with Japanese cars that was full of people who were very knowledgable as well. Many of those enthusiast do their own work and know how to improve their cars. A running joke on that forum is that each sticker added to their car adds 5 HP. They had many of the same complaints as I have seen here as well.
 
Jim's right, there are a number of really great "import tuner" folks who really know their stuff. Supra, Z-car and Subaru guys tend to be very into the ins-and-outs of the mechanicals.

Cars are just fashion to most folks. They like a certain car, own a certain car, and modify it a specific way, because it's fashion (or counter-fashion.)

My father-in-law would shake his head and say nasty things about the kids with their Civics, saying that they were destroying the cars, reducing the value of the cars they own.

Then I asked him: "What was your first car?"

reply: "A '50 Ford Sedan."

Asked him: "What was the first thing you did when you got it?"

His Reply: "Removed the chrome."

"And what did your parents say?"

"That I was crazy and asked why I'd ever destroy the car like that."

Since then, he has taken more of my stance: "It's not my cup of tea, but it's no different than the hot rodding or muscle car crazes of the 50s and 60s."
 
Right, Sammy. Earlier in this thread, I talked about my escapades with a Corvair and a VW in my teens and early twenties. I'm encouraged that there's a new wave of interest in enhancing and individualizing what comes off the rack. (Wish I'd had some of the stereo equipment that's available now back when I thought adding a speaker behind the rear seat was the epitome of cool!)

Mickey
 
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