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was at the mechanic today getting oil change and emissions test. Guy there (landlord) talking to my mechanic about gassing up his boat. $7,000.00!!! :crazyeyes: I asked, what type of boat - 50 ft Carver and I asked how far does that go - he said across the lake (Ontario) and back. And I thought we were crazy!
 
Flying gliders uses lots less gas :jester:
 
JPSmit said:
was at the mechanic today getting oil change and emissions test. Guy there (landlord) talking to my mechanic about gassing up his boat. <span style="font-weight: bold">$7,000.00!!!</span> :crazyeyes: I asked, what type of boat - 50 ft Carver and I asked how far does that go - he said across the lake (Ontario) and back. And I thought we were crazy!
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One of the main reasons I LOVE sail boats!! Air is FREE!! :laugh: Plus there's no noise....
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I can't even come up with a response for such stupidity except to say some people have more money than good sense. Don't know his situation but...

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Silverghost <span style="font-weight: bold">$7 said:
judow said:
I can't even come up with a response for such stupidity except to say some people have more money than good sense. Don't know his situation but...

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I can't even begin to say how much is spent to go places I can't speak about. Rest assured, it's unspeakable!


What really kills me is the nip picky corner cutting. Especially in the salary department due to "funds" being lower than hoped for, but still stupidly outrageous.

Last place I would want to cut corners is my people. Especially if one of them is making sure I don't get injured or killed. I'd want his/her mind on their work, not trying to figure out how they are going to pay the bills.



I'm at a point in my life things either work or they don't.... <span style="font-size: 20pt"> <span style="font-style: italic"> </span> NEXT!!! </span>
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One of the main reasons I LOVE sail boats!! Air is FREE!! :laugh: Plus there's no noise....
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What kind of boat do you sail? My 13 foot Flying Junior cost me about $30,000 to campaign for a little over one year. Of course that included transportation, lodging and meals. I also spent what I needed to win regardless of cost. It was just another obsession then, now it's cars.
 
Last hole I had was a Catalina 25. Cost be a bunch and never used it. I know regattas require a great deal of skill, however; to me, it's like racing snails. I was on the team in collge and I enjoyed practice so much better.

I love cruising, but it's still work. Boats are work period. At least my car will take me somewhere and all I have to do it turn the key. Food is usually at the end of my trip and I don't have to prepare or bring it. Lot to be said for a LBC over a boat. I have a boat I don't use now cause I'd rather drive my car.
 
That's a cool looking boat. Like a 420 but more room. I do love the 420's, after al, that's what I learned in. still a lot of cake for a little boat. If I get anything, it'll be a Hobie cat. I can always rent one on the coast for a few dollars. Drive my LBC down to it.
 
Billy said:
I can always rent one on the coast for a few dollars. Drive my LBC down to it.
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That's the best boat I never own(ed)!

Very like aircraft. Rent the thing for a purpose, walk away when done. :wink:
 
kellysguy said:
however; to me, it's like racing snails. I was on the team in collge and I enjoyed practice so much better.
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Have you seen the latest Oracle snail on the news lately? Looks like the designer should be drawn and quartered after being made to walk the plank, then keel hauled. Seems that they like to pitch pole all the time. Even if it was the size of a Hobie cat they are impossible to right once they capsize.
 
Just spent the morning fabricating new rails for the sliding hatch on my dads Cal-25. He just got it this spring, cheap, needs some work (don't they all). we're hoping to have splash-in within 2 weeks, in time for dads vacation. He and mom have been happily taking sailing classes for a couple of months now. It's been a lifelong desire of his. I hope he enjoys it.
Soon we'll be cruising Seneca lake.
 
I put a lot of hours in a Cal-20.
My Uncle owned it, we sailed it all over the SoCal coastlines.


As far as fuel goes, I know of some submarines on display that have functional diesels, but cannot afford to fill the tanks, something like $25K per tank.
 
kellysguy said:
Banjo said:
He and mom have been happily taking sailing classes for a couple of months now. .
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Waste of money. I read the book and was good to go. It was the running joke on the team. The pic of points of sail and trim was really all I needed.



All you need to know:

https://www.google.com/products/catalog?h...ed=0CF4Q8wIwAA#
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What team are you talking about? There is no substitute for actual time sailing on a boat with proper instruction, unless you are some sort of savant and take to it naturally. The intricacies of aerodynamics, fluid dynamics, boat balance, sail shape and rules of the road are not easily illustrated in any book I have ever read. After sailing for nearly 20 years, both cruising and racing, I was fortunate enough to attend the course given by North Sails and discovered thousands of things I had been doing wrong, or were ignorant of. After I started applying what I learned there, the boats I was crewing on at the time, went from middle or back of the pack to being consistent trophy winners. Also, if you are cruising and not racing, the same principals can make a painful slog of a trip into an efficient way to get from point A to point B. When I was sailing, it was amazing how many boats I saw, even racers, that had no idea how ragged their sails were trimmed. That not only made for a slow uncomfortable trip but it shortens the life of the sails.
 
School team. I hear what you're sayin', for waht his parents want to do it's all they need. Not everyone is interested in getting 100% out of their boat. Some folks just want to cruise along. Same thing w/ cars, you can have concours, or driver grade like mine. Some instructors will string you along for the $$$. Nothing like getting out there and doing it.

Boy, biggest turn off for me was the price of sails. I'd rather build a motor. Most bnoats I got the sails were shot and I wasn't about to spend that kinda pop on laundry.
 
Many years ago, after not sailing for about 20, we went to a church family camp...big place, big lake with an island in the middle.
Two small sailboats.
"I want to take a sailboat out".
"Can't do that", they said.
"Why Not?" said I.

Last people here unrigged them both.

So, I went out and re-rigged one, launched, hoisted, sailed out and around the island and back.....with the folks who ran the campground on the shore watching.

"How did you do that?"
"Do what?"

"Rig that sailboat up and come back INTO the wind?"

Ummmm.........once you know how, it's easy.

Doing sailing on the edge, competition, is a whole lot different that just sailing, having fun, knowing how to get there and back.
 
Wow, amazing how many sailors we have here. I raced a J-24 for several years. Then got a Hobie 33 (long skinny monohull) and raced that for 3 years. After that, a J-80 for 2 years but the cost was just too much. Besides that's when I need the triple bypass. Took a couple years off then raced a Soling for the last 3 years. Think it's about time to retire now though and let the next generation have at it. Still have my old Santana 22 for more relaxing enjoyment.
 
I raced sailboats on both coasts and had the opportunity to sail with skippers with a wide variety of talent and commitment. Most of the sailing was done, as crew, in either Lightnings or handicap racing in medium sized boats and got to do three San Francisco Big Boat Series.
Most sailors know how to approach a swell to get the boat over the hump without loosing way. The run of the mill racing sailor will drive through every swell with the crew adjusting sail and boat trim to each change in the attitude of the boat to the wind and swell. When I once crewed for the world champion Flying Junior skipper, he was wiggeling the tiller like he was possessed. I looked closely at what he was doing, and I saw that he was steering through each and every ripple. I never got to that point but it sure was enlightening to watch.
I only skippered my own Flying Junior for less than two years. All I wanted out of the experience was to do the best I could do, with no concessions to cost, and see what the results would be. My crew and I would practice two nights a week, then do three to six races over the weekend at regattas all over California. I placed well in the regional championships and was very happy with my finishes at the Nationals.
I retired from sailing completely in the early 1990s, with no cash left, carpul tunnel in both hands and torn ligaments in both knees. I did meet my wife right before I retired, at a local regatta that we were both competing in. Now you couldn't pay me to get on a boat of any kind.
 
There is one "boat" you wouldn't have to pay me to get on.......all you'd have to do is ask.
Most old "boat" sailors are the same..."station the maneuvering watch" one more time....then "Prepare to Dive!"
 
Bayless said:
Wow, amazing how many sailors we have here.
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I'm not a sailor. I'm a guy who owned a few boats.

Owning a sail boat no more makes me Popeye than owning a baseball cap makes me Nolan Ryan.

I like the small boats better. I've always had bad luck with boats of any kind. I'm a car guy from birth.

Run whatcha brung, mine the diamonds in your own field, yada yada yada...

I don't mind going out on other peolple's boats.

The work nivolved is what kills me. Work on it all week to get it right, one day to prep/rig to go out, launch, park, rig, cruise, pick up, drive home, unpack, clean, put away, work all week to get it right again.

I don't see how it's relaxing. Now lets make it a fishing trip and it really goes out the window.

Get in Midget, drive to coast, eat fish at restaurant, rent Hobie cat, sit on beach watch sun set, drive home, sleep. Now that's a day.

Don't even get me started on what it takes to campaign three race cars...
 
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