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"Farm Gas" is bulk gas/fuel that farmers buy to have back at the farm in their own fuel tanks for their farm equipment. It typically has a different color to it (dye) to differentiate it from gas bought through a pump. It is taxed differently because it is intended for farm equipment that rarely, if ever, travel on public roads under their own power. It is illegal to use in a regular road car simply because it has not been taxed for such. No other reason.
 
Randall,

Haven't heard of farm gas here in Virginia. As Ed indicated many farmer's coops here like Farm Bureau and Southern States have regular gas stations and the Southern States one here in town advertises that it's ethanol-free.

Scott
 
swift6 said:
"Farm Gas" is bulk gas/fuel that farmers buy to have back at the farm in their own fuel tanks for their farm equipment. It typically has a different color to it (dye) to differentiate it from gas bought through a pump. It is taxed differently because it is intended for farm equipment that rarely, if ever, travel on public roads under their own power. It is illegal to use in a regular road car simply because it has not been taxed for such. No other reason.
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Ah since I don't buy in bulk for a farm that's probably why I haven't heard of it! My farm experience has been limited to my great-grandparents family farm so a much smaller scale. :smile:

Scott
 
I'm used to farms in Nebraska, Kansas & Eastern Colorado that operate on much larger scales than farms back east. Large private farms back east only qualify as hobby farms out here. No disrespect meant to eastern farmers, population density plays a large part of it. I was on a 1500 acre farm in North Carolina once and understand that it was considered a large farm. The farmer showed me a photo of a 50 row discus and asked if they really used such implements out west. He had a 5 row discus. The scale difference was unbelievable to him. The ranch I grew up on in Wyoming was 25,000 acres and was considered a medium small ranch in Wyoming.

Gas stations are often not very close and bulk fuel is a requisite for those farmers/ranchers.
 
I don't know if local farms buy "farm gas" in bulk, but I assume they do. We have a few large dairy farms left in the county, and a number of cattle "ranches."

The non-ethanol gas I am describing is sold at the Southern States and the Farmers Coops hereabouts from normal gas station pumps. In fact, these Coop gas stations look very much like normal gas stations.

At any rate, for us with "old" or vintage cars, the availability of non-ethanol gas (or "pure gas" as some call it) is much appreciated. There's no telling how long it will be available as the guys who sell it tell me they don't know from delivery to delivery if they will stop receiving it.

Is there any way to know if fuel pump rebuild kits now available contain diaphrams designed for use with ethanol? I assume diaphrams are included in the fuel pump rebuild kits avaialble from Moss and TRF, but they are not specifically described in the catalogs. Probably have to telephone them and ask.
 
"Goss" brand kits if you can find them over there are superior to the ones offered by some of the big retailers. You get more 'bits' in a Goss kit then you do with a Moss one, not tried the kits from TRF. After having used a Moss kit I would always by Goss from now on. Just another reason I'm going electrical solid state pump.
 
At least in AZ you can still get the 'good stuff' at the convenience store:

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Mychael said:
You get more 'bits' in a Goss kit then you do with a Moss one, not tried the kits from TRF.
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The kit from TRF included everything, even the elusive shaft seal that even the genuine AC kits don't include. Definitely ethanol-compatible.

By now, I'm reasonably confident that any kit you buy will be ethanol compatible. Even Burlen announced it a few years back (although it was no longer mentioned last time I checked their web site).
 
radall should know, he lives in california. is there any "real gas for sale in cali.?"
 
mtlman8 said:
is there any "real gas for sale in cali.?"
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Certainly not around here. I believe it used to be available in some of the more remote areas (with no smog problem), but that may not be the case any more.
 
TR3driver said:
Mychael said:
You get more 'bits' in a Goss kit then you do with a Moss one, not tried the kits from TRF.
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The kit from TRF included everything, even the elusive shaft seal that even the genuine AC kits don't include. Definitely ethanol-compatible.

By now, I'm reasonably confident that any kit you buy will be ethanol compatible. Even Burlen announced it a few years back (although it was no longer mentioned last time I checked their web site).
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Yes, the Goss kit also had that shaft seal. I've never asked about the compatibility with Ethanol. Spose' I should really.
 
George,

The next sound I expect to hear from Arizona is a loud "boom!" as one of those racing fuel cans falls on the floor. Isn't it akin to jet fuel?

If you are there and it blows, would you leave me your TR4 with the neat auxiliary stop light?
 
LexTR3 said:
The next sound I expect to hear from Arizona is a loud "boom!" as one of those racing fuel cans falls on the floor. Isn't it akin to jet fuel?
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Nah, it's just high octane gasoline. It's actually available in most states (for off-road use only), tho for some reason AZ is the only place I've seen where they sell it in convenience stores.

BTW, "jet fuel" is closer to kerosene. You're probably thinking of nitromethane, which is more like rocket fuel and is rather more dangerous to store & handle.

PS, apparently there is also a "street legal" version of Sunoco racing fuel, which may be what Geo showed.
https://www.sunocoinc.com/site/Consumer/RaceFuels/260GT100Locations/
 
We run "jet fuel" in our HMMWVs overseas. JP-8 is turbine grade kerosene that is used in the M1 Abrahms tanks.
 
I guess its the same today but about 30 years ago ,working in oil refinery,the storage tanks of kerosene became jet fuel when the FAA guys or their designates came by ,tested it,tagged it, and then it became jet fuel.Same stuff,just more testing,and of course a higher price.
Tom
 
Whatever is in those cans.... piled up like that gives me the willies!

If you won't leave me your TR4, then how about your TR3?
 
LexTR3 said:
And, of course, I see a lot of old trucks on the road with plaques proclaiming "Farm Use."
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My first vehicle. Pendleton County, West Virginia, 1974.
 

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