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food rationing?
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kennypinkerton
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That's one reason I'm starting to grow some food for our family
ecurie_ecosse
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DNK said:
Oxfam, a UK charity that attempts to supply basics around the world,says their organisation is worried about this.As people get pushed off the land so that fuel crops can be grown.More people require food. It's a vicious cycle,which only time will fix. :confuse:
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With your sentiment!! :thumbsup:Stuart.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:] It's a vicious cycle,which only time will fix. [/QUOTE]
Only some intelligent evaluation, y'mean, Stu.
It takes OVER a gallon of fossil fuel to produce a gallon of ethanol, to go into ten gallons of gasoline and make it less efficient AND more costly. Gypsies in the palace.
Grains are for eatin'. They make lousy fuel for machines.
Only some intelligent evaluation, y'mean, Stu.
It takes OVER a gallon of fossil fuel to produce a gallon of ethanol, to go into ten gallons of gasoline and make it less efficient AND more costly. Gypsies in the palace.
Grains are for eatin'. They make lousy fuel for machines.
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The good news is; I was listening to NPR on the way home tonight, and they were reporting how the "bio-fuel" pendulum was swinging back agenst them. and how Europe has cut funding for ethanol programs. That tells me that people are finally starting to wise up to how bad an idea it is. Once the eco lobbies find out how bad it really is for the enviornment, we'll be ok.
tony barnhill
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DNK said:
<span style="font-size: 23pt"> <span style="color: #FF0000"> <span style="font-weight: bold">AMEN!! </span> </span> </span>
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tony barnhill said:
ooohhh... Politics and religion in the same post...where's the moderator???
tony barnhill
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<span style="font-size: 17pt"> <span style="color: #3366FF"> AMEN <span style="font-weight: bold">BROTHER</span>!!!</span> </span>Dave Richards said:tony barnhill said:
ooohhh... Politics and religion in the same post...where's the moderator???
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Gloom and Doom vs. being Optimistic. The Economist, among others, did a pretty good job of covering this topic (the food crisis) this week.
The fact is not a single one of us working alone can do much one way, or the other, for the big picture, but we can help our our security and peace of mind. We can live within our means and grow some of our own food, most of us are pretty handy at fixing something.
I love America, but I hate taxes, I can't do much about 'em, so I pay 'em, and have tried to stay out of debt and have a good supply of stuff, including food against emergencies. It's just common sense and a big part of being responsible for myself. (Is that a curse word yet?)
I'm quite anxious about the tenuous state of the economy. (I think housing prices have to still go down in some parts of the country, the Fed is messing with stuff, that's like playing with the slow idle adjustment on an SU, when it needs to be rebuilt.) But, hey, politicians have been messing with our lives since they figured out how to make a career of it, and there's just nothing an individual person can do, except be wise, and enjoy life.
If there's food rationing, I'll be happy to share what I have. Our parents, and grandparents went through a lot worse that we ever have. Generation X, Y, and now Z, are all about "I", or "Me", they've never lived through a society-wide galvanizing experience; 9-11 is the closest they've come, and just 7 years later, many can't seem to agree on just what happened. Musing over...
The fact is not a single one of us working alone can do much one way, or the other, for the big picture, but we can help our our security and peace of mind. We can live within our means and grow some of our own food, most of us are pretty handy at fixing something.
I love America, but I hate taxes, I can't do much about 'em, so I pay 'em, and have tried to stay out of debt and have a good supply of stuff, including food against emergencies. It's just common sense and a big part of being responsible for myself. (Is that a curse word yet?)
I'm quite anxious about the tenuous state of the economy. (I think housing prices have to still go down in some parts of the country, the Fed is messing with stuff, that's like playing with the slow idle adjustment on an SU, when it needs to be rebuilt.) But, hey, politicians have been messing with our lives since they figured out how to make a career of it, and there's just nothing an individual person can do, except be wise, and enjoy life.
If there's food rationing, I'll be happy to share what I have. Our parents, and grandparents went through a lot worse that we ever have. Generation X, Y, and now Z, are all about "I", or "Me", they've never lived through a society-wide galvanizing experience; 9-11 is the closest they've come, and just 7 years later, many can't seem to agree on just what happened. Musing over...
kennypinkerton
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We don't eat that much rice. I don't really understand the whole "let's buy up 500lbs of rice before the stores are out of it" thing. Same thing happens here with milk and bread if the weatherman mentions snow flurries. People who never usually ever buy bread and milk will run to the store and buy tons of it. Snow doesn't even stay on the ground here for more than 2 or 3 days before it melts.
You want a nearly unlimited supply of fuel to replace our hooked-on-hydrocarbons lifestyles. Water broken down into HHO gas... It's all right there in the oceans waiting to be used. and most devices can be easily retrofitted to use it. No amount of expensive fuel cell vaporware, cornpone, or greasecars are going to change our habits. When gasoline hits $10 a gallon, people will still buy it (even if they are cursing under their breath).
You want a nearly unlimited supply of fuel to replace our hooked-on-hydrocarbons lifestyles. Water broken down into HHO gas... It's all right there in the oceans waiting to be used. and most devices can be easily retrofitted to use it. No amount of expensive fuel cell vaporware, cornpone, or greasecars are going to change our habits. When gasoline hits $10 a gallon, people will still buy it (even if they are cursing under their breath).
aeronca65t
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You know as old as I get, I'll never be too old to give something a try.
But in today's "short term/ sound bite" world, we seem to dismiss "first efforts" unless they make money for the investors the first day. And some things are <span style="font-style: italic">complex</span> and can't be answered with one word sound bites...as much fun as that is.
I see the corn/bio-fuel effort as useful. Because even if it fails (and it will), it may lead you to a path of succes eventually.
Obviously, it's been a flop from an energy point of view...that's 7th grade arithmetic and it's always been known (really, it's only been viable at all due to artificial subsidies).
But getting people to work on different ideas is, in my view, the real benefit.
There's a fairly good program right now (inspired by the corn/bio-fuel program) to convert switchgrass into motor fuel. And since switchgrass is a "weed", it grows with very little need for petroleum-based fertilizers (unlike corn). Ultimately, ideas like *that'* are the benefit of the corn/bio-fuel effort.
A friend of mine just bought a Prius. Like me, he feels the entire hybrid concept is bogus. But he wanted to experience the concept of living with an electric car. The Prius and other hybrid cars have spawned a whole new area of *plug-in* electric cars. And it has inspired new efforts to improve battery technology (and safety) as well as power generation.
The other day I heard Mike Griffin (Director of NASA) talking about a need for new power infrastructure as our transportation needs move towards "electric fuel". Hybrids have even inspired debate on the use of coal and nuclear power generations. All good results in my view.
I know electric cars wouldn't work for some of you. But it would work fine for me and many Americans.
My officemate was a young engineer who worked with William Shockley in Bell Labs/Murray Hill (he knew Bardeen and Brattain too). He told me they tried endless ideas before they got the transistor to a point where it was really useful. What if they had given up?
What if the Wright Brothers had listened to all the "experts"?
Many of these new ideas are not the end-game. They are the start.
~Useful Article~
But in today's "short term/ sound bite" world, we seem to dismiss "first efforts" unless they make money for the investors the first day. And some things are <span style="font-style: italic">complex</span> and can't be answered with one word sound bites...as much fun as that is.
I see the corn/bio-fuel effort as useful. Because even if it fails (and it will), it may lead you to a path of succes eventually.
Obviously, it's been a flop from an energy point of view...that's 7th grade arithmetic and it's always been known (really, it's only been viable at all due to artificial subsidies).
But getting people to work on different ideas is, in my view, the real benefit.
There's a fairly good program right now (inspired by the corn/bio-fuel program) to convert switchgrass into motor fuel. And since switchgrass is a "weed", it grows with very little need for petroleum-based fertilizers (unlike corn). Ultimately, ideas like *that'* are the benefit of the corn/bio-fuel effort.
A friend of mine just bought a Prius. Like me, he feels the entire hybrid concept is bogus. But he wanted to experience the concept of living with an electric car. The Prius and other hybrid cars have spawned a whole new area of *plug-in* electric cars. And it has inspired new efforts to improve battery technology (and safety) as well as power generation.
The other day I heard Mike Griffin (Director of NASA) talking about a need for new power infrastructure as our transportation needs move towards "electric fuel". Hybrids have even inspired debate on the use of coal and nuclear power generations. All good results in my view.
I know electric cars wouldn't work for some of you. But it would work fine for me and many Americans.
My officemate was a young engineer who worked with William Shockley in Bell Labs/Murray Hill (he knew Bardeen and Brattain too). He told me they tried endless ideas before they got the transistor to a point where it was really useful. What if they had given up?
What if the Wright Brothers had listened to all the "experts"?
Many of these new ideas are not the end-game. They are the start.
~Useful Article~
Sams club is rationing rice
https://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080423233009.6u8b3ves&show_article=1
https://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080423233009.6u8b3ves&show_article=1
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yeah: <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:] Sam's Club said it had temporarily placed limits of four 20-pound (nine-kilogram) bags a person for jasmine, basmati, and other long-grain white rice types. [/QUOTE]
Anybody here ever buy more than one 20 pound bag of rice at a time?!?! TWO would seem to be a year's supply for most family needs.
sheesh.
Anybody here ever buy more than one 20 pound bag of rice at a time?!?! TWO would seem to be a year's supply for most family needs.
sheesh.
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I'd bet there are lots of family (ethnic?) restaurants that buy their supplies at Sam's Club.
Couldn't help chuckling at the toilet paper reference. I actually remember Johnny Carson telling that "joke" in his opening monolog. December 1973. And as if by magic, toilet paper all over the USA was snatched from the shelves of every store.
Hey - did you guys hear that there's a huge (gasoline, rice, fertilizer, deodorant,etc.) shortage? Estimates are that it'll all be gone by Saturday, so we better buy contracts on as much as possible. Then we can sell it "at a later date" - when it's even *more* expensive.
Can you say "speculation"?
argh.
T.
Couldn't help chuckling at the toilet paper reference. I actually remember Johnny Carson telling that "joke" in his opening monolog. December 1973. And as if by magic, toilet paper all over the USA was snatched from the shelves of every store.
Hey - did you guys hear that there's a huge (gasoline, rice, fertilizer, deodorant,etc.) shortage? Estimates are that it'll all be gone by Saturday, so we better buy contracts on as much as possible. Then we can sell it "at a later date" - when it's even *more* expensive.
Can you say "speculation"?
argh.
T.