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GregW

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I'm experiencing problems moving files within folders on a hard drive. The transfer happens very fast with the folder and file names being relocated. The problem is the files in the new spot say 0KB for their size. It seems if I move one folder at a time, things work correctly. When I do a batch move of all the "D" files (moving chunks alphabetically) is when the 0KB issue comes up. Any thoughts to why this might happen? I've more than a thousand folders to move, so I don't really want to do it one by one.
 
Greg - I'm running F15/KDE and tried the same action. No problems here. Moved files back and forth and found the filesize remained constant.

I assume even tho' you show 0KB for filesize, the files are correct and open w/o problem?

If so, wonder what happens if you choose View/Reload (F5); does the filesize "update" correctly?

Tom
 
NutmegCT said:
Greg - I'm running F15/KDE
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Same here
NutmegCT said:
I assume even tho' you show 0KB for filesize, the files are correct and open w/o problem?
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No, when I try to open them in two different media players, I get an error.

NutmegCT said:
If so, wonder what happens if you choose View/Reload (F5); does the filesize "update" correctly?
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The files remain at 0KB after hitting reload.
 
Does the problem occur when you drag folders to another location?

and also when you right click and choose Cut (or Copy) and then Paste?

I also wonder if there's a filesize (or "move" size) issue involved. Are you moving great gobs of large files? Interesting that you don't have a problem when moving only one folder at a time. Any significant difference in the size of the folder that moves ok, compared to moving two folders of that same total size?

T.
 
NutmegCT said:
Does the problem occur when you drag folders to another location?

and also when you right click and choose Cut (or Copy) and then Paste?

I also wonder if there's a filesize (or "move" size) issue involved. Are you moving great gobs of large files? Interesting that you don't have a problem when moving only one folder at a time. Any significant difference in the size of the folder that moves ok, compared to moving two folders of that same total size?

T.
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I usually left click, drag and release mouse. Then choose move from the resulting menu. I can't imagine an OS like Linux having a size limit to moving files but stranger things have happened. The computer has locked up on me three times today and a couple times yesterday. I'm guessing the mixture of KDE and Gnome may not be playing well together. Thinking I'll wipe the hard drive and install a clean Fedora. Since this was my first foray into KDE, I wouldn't be surprised if I mucked things up.
 
Greg - I didn't know you were running with both Gnome and KDE installed.

Does the problem occur moving files with Konqueror (Gnome) AND moving files with Dolphin (KDE)?

Just for the heck of it, if you boot with KDE, reboot with Gnome, (or vice versa) and see if the problem continues.

By the way, you can use either file manager from within either GUI.

PS - does the problem continue if you move files/folders from within Terminal?

https://ss64.com/bash/mv.html

Tom
 
That's really odd. Never saw it before. I can ferret HUGE lumps of data across this LAN, from big graphics files to *.doc files. Sometimes doing it from a Winblows box to a Linux one there is a problem but ISTR going to the Linux one and "pulling" from Win did the deed. And we always use "copy" and "paste" by "selecting" the files and/or directories. No drag-and-drop. Haven't used command line 'MV' for a long time.

Greg, if you're about to scrape the drive, why not consider CentOS instead of Fedora? It takes a bit more "hands-on" management to configure but if you have Fedora figured out, it shouldn't be that big a deal. The enterprise distro has less of the "bleeding edge" stuff that can give you fits. It seems to me there is TOO MUCH choice when it comes to Fedora's available/loaded warez.

Fedora seems fine for a workstation but with what it sounds like you're doing, IMO you'd be better off to suffer through the learning curve and segue into CenOS. Liken it to going from a "home" Win version to their server edition. More admin responsibility but as stable as a house brick once you tweak it to your particular needs.

This may be redundant but: we've had an enterprise distro here as long as we've had a LAN (and an "enterprise" distro available), Herself uses a windows machine to do graphics work (Corel and Adobe own our soul) and keeps the files on a CentOS box. It will allow the app to open a file faster that if it were resident on the local Win workstation.
 
DrEntropy said:
That's really odd. Never saw it before. I can ferret HUGE lumps of data across this LAN, from big graphics files to *.doc files. Sometimes doing it from a Winblows box to a Linux one there is a problem but ISTR going to the Linux one and "pulling" from Win did the deed. And we always use "copy" and "paste" by "selecting" the files and/or directories. No drag-and-drop. Haven't used command line 'MV' for a long time.
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I can give copy/paste a try before a reinstall. The drag and drop has been working for me for several weeks though so I don't know why it happened all of the sudden. Last night the computer booted up with networking unplugged. Same thing this morning. Had to go to the upper right and manually connect.

DrEntropy said:
Greg, if you're about to scrape the drive, why not consider CentOS instead of Fedora? It takes a bit more "hands-on" management to configure but if you have Fedora figured out, it shouldn't be that big a deal. The enterprise distro has less of the "bleeding edge" stuff that can give you fits. It seems to me there is TOO MUCH choice when it comes to Fedora's available/loaded warez.
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I looked at a bunch of distros when we first talked about Linux. Desktop or workstation flavors fit my needs more. This computer is more my enterainment box, connected to my TV. These file transfers are from when it was an XP machine so I won't do this very often. All the file moving is between an eSATA drive and internally, no network transfers. I was able to connect to my Win7 machine when I had to transfer my emails from Outlook to Thunderbird. No problems there, but that was a couple weeks ago.





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For desktop mediabox use, I like Ubuntu flavors. Though, I personally would stick w/ their LTS (Long Term Service/Support) releases. Their last LTS release was 10.04.

I don't use GUI for moving files about much. I find it to be a bit... restricting. I normally drop to CLI/shell for file management, possibly because that's all I use at work.

Rather than use "mv" for moving files, I normally opt for "cp" to copy the file (cp -R /path/to/original/files/* /path/to/destination/folder/ to do a recursive copy of files and folders), especially if the data is from one physical device to another, because this will retain the original file for me to verify data integrity before removal of the original.

About the only thing that would prevent you from copying/moving files to a destination is if the destination doesn't have appropriate permissions/ownerships to allow you to perform this task as the user you're performing the task as. However, if this is the case, you would ~normally~ receive feedback stating you do not have the necessary privileges/permissions. CLI/shell does this w/o a doubt, GUI should do this too.

Anywho, if I try something in GUI and it seems to fail for no reason, I usually drop to CLI/shell and try again, because sometimes the GUI configuration could be masking/hiding errors/messages in an effort to be "neat".
 
Greg - what's the latest? Did you ever try the suggestions? (copy/move within Terminal, use the different File Managers within Gnome and KDE, etc. to find out which ones work ok for you and which ones don't)?

Take a look at this:

https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/...windows-853151/

The guy reports "size exceeded" problems copying from a Fedora13 to a Windows machine, but also ...

"This happens when I try to copy files not only from drive to drive, but even from folder to folder on the same drive. I've read about a 2GB file size limit, but none of the files are that size."

Also, note:

https://linuxmafia.com/faq/VALinux-kb/2gb-filesize-limit.html

Interesting.

Tom
 
That second article answers the "why" for me, here: 64-bit kernel.

I didn't dig into the issue. Thanks, Tom! :savewave:
 
DrEntropy said:
That second article answers the "why" for me, here: 64-bit kernel.

I didn't dig into the issue. Thanks, Tom! :savewave:
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64 bit kernel. brag brag brag

Size isn't everything!

(ok, back to my 8-bit Zilog Z80 ...)

T.
 
*SNORK!*
 
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Greg - what's the latest? Did you ever try the suggestions? (copy/move within Terminal, use the different File Managers within Gnome and KDE, etc. to find out which ones work ok for you and which ones don't)?
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Hi Tom,
Thanks for doing that research. I haven't tried the terminal route and I probably won't. Too complicated for what I'm trying to do. Some of the folders are duplicated on the target drive, so I need to pick and move certain files within those folders. Multiply that by 1000 folders and I'll be typing for weeks(I type fairly slowly).

There is something wrong with my system and I haven't pegged it yet. I've been getting random reboots, this morning I turned the computer on and walked away. Walked by it and the desktop was up. Five minutes later I came back and the screen was on the initial BIOS display and locked up. A couple reboots without any screen showing and I finally got back into the system. What I mean by any screen showing is the monitor showed the message I get when the computer is off. I'll work on it when I can but my next chore will be to backup the files I have transferred to Linux and start over. My guess is I loaded something that is incompatible with the system.
 
Sounds hardware-ish. Power supply fairly new?
 
Says the Linux advocate. :laugh: No, I agree it sounds hardwary. PS is maybe a year old. Antec truepower 650. Should be enough juice if it isn't going bad. I did unplug the 2nd hard drive and haven't had an issue since then. I'll look for another power cable and put it on a different leg of the PS.
 
Yeah, a bit self-serving, BUT what you described really does sound like hardware failure of some sort. If disconnecting that second drive has made the issue dissappear, you're on the right track, IMO.


Addendum: For P/S choices, it's a tie between Antec and ThermalTake for me. Both have proven to be about bullet-proof over time. I've got 'em in some pretty harsh environs without issues for years.

After you have safely ferretted your data, try recreating the issue? I've also seen similar (blank vid signal) problems if the CD/DVD drive goes wonky. That usually shows up at initial boot-up tho.
 
Got another power cable outta the closet and put the 2nd hard drive on a different power rail. Seems to have solved the problem so far. I moved 43GB of files from the eSATA drive onto it and spot checking 50ish folders, I don't see any 0KB files. Which is to say the files have mass to them. Haven't had any random reboots either soooo maybe the issue has been solved. Thanks everyone for your help. :computer:
 
YOU did all the work! :thumbsup:
 
no kidding. I wish everyone was as polite! :laugh:
 
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