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Fat Needles... a carb adjustment problem

poolboy

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I know of a few people who have fairly recently replaced their ZS B1AF needles and had a problem getting their carbs adjusted properly.
2 of the people that come to mind had their metering needle in the highest position possible and still not satisfied.
Well, one of the fellows sent me his carbs to check his rebuild after he spent 2 frustrating weeks trying to go over everything he had done in an attempt to get the engine to idle without having to use the choke, no matter the temperature.
I checked everything, possibly for the 4th or 5th time and was ready to send them back to him with the throttle disc cracked open far more than normal just to maintain an idle.
Above 12-1300 rpm things seemed ok, I just couldn't get it to idle unless the needle was all the way up and the throttle disc cracked or the choke engaged
After a break in the action, it dawned on me to mic his new needles.

As most of you know the jet has an opening of .100 and the Base of the B1AF is supposed to be .0951. This was the measurement of his brand new fat needles .0955 and an astonishing .0975.
Not much room there for fuel to pass.
So if you're having a similar problem with a recent rebuild or even just a needle replacement, be warned, there's junk out there.
I replaced the fat needles with the old needles, which he sent me, and things now are copacetic.
 
Very interesting PB.

The Stromberg needle taper chart is measured in four decimal positions and it takes a very well calibrated and maintained swiss turning center to produce those in a plus or minus zero tolerance. I'd be willing to bet that if these were made today overseas, or even here in the US, the machines used are not set to run that tight to tolerance. The demand for these can't be high enough to justify paying the type of rate needed per hour to run machines capable of producing these parts cost effectively, so someone makes them in a "commercial" tolerance of plus or minus .001"-.002" and this is what you get.

Going from .0951" to .0975" diameter in a .1000" opening effectively cuts the fuel supplied at idle by 50%. No wonder it wouldn't run off choke.

Caveat Emptor............let the buyer beware.
 
Brosky said:
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Caveat Emptor............let the buyer beware.

Always thought that was something about the King and his tie
 
poolboy said:
and things now are copacetic.


<span style="font-style: italic">qu'est-ce que c'est </span> copacetic??? Stop using those 50 cent words, Ken.
 
TR6BILL said:
Stop using those 50 cent words, Ken.
Right! Use the half-dollar ones instead!
 
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