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End of Latests for XP
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In my case apparently I'm out of date and still use XP on my PC desk top, heck I'm probably out of date for even still using a PC desk top... :lol: Just got the message for the first time when I fired up the computer for the day, follow the link to spend more money that I can barely afford, "either upgrade your Windows or buy a new computer" :numbness: Just grand when I also need to replace my old Nikon D90 camera body in the very near future, alright by admitting I still use a D90 I just showed how out of date I am... :rapture:
In my case apparently I'm out of date and still use XP on my PC desk top, heck I'm probably out of date for even still using a PC desk top... :lol: Just got the message for the first time when I fired up the computer for the day, follow the link to spend more money that I can barely afford, "either upgrade your Windows or buy a new computer" :numbness: Just grand when I also need to replace my old Nikon D90 camera body in the very near future, alright by admitting I still use a D90 I just showed how out of date I am... :rapture:
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Tom, while I know nothing about computers, I do know about the fabulous and the large corporations they run.
Rest assured that whatever you have, whatever you do and however you do it will be rendered obsolete in the near future forcing you to replace it at a greater cost than before with much more headaches. Don't get too comfortable with that change because it's gonna happen again....and it will cost even more next time 
This is the nature of the beast. Now stop asking questions you silly worker bee and get back to making more honey. :smirk: You're lucky "we" are allowing you a place to live and something to eat, nevermind the honey you make isn't for you. 
Oh, and don't mind the smoke, it's for your own protection..... 
Tom, while I know nothing about computers, I do know about the fabulous and the large corporations they run.
Rest assured that whatever you have, whatever you do and however you do it will be rendered obsolete in the near future forcing you to replace it at a greater cost than before with much more headaches. Don't get too comfortable with that change because it's gonna happen again....and it will cost even more next time This is the nature of the beast. Now stop asking questions you silly worker bee and get back to making more honey. :smirk: You're lucky "we" are allowing you a place to live and something to eat, nevermind the honey you make isn't for you. Oh, and don't mind the smoke, it's for your own protection..... 
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While I'm not a Microsoft fan in particular, I will defend them on this one. Windows XP is a 13 year old product -- they have kept it in production/support far longer than the vast majority of other commercial operating systems have been. It has been nearly 5 years since they stopped selling Windows XP. That means that for the last 5 years they have been continuing to develop and patch the system, devoting resources to a product they no longer sell. This requires a huge amount of resources, which is an untenable position for any business -- they need to devote resources to the systems they do currently sell. Microsoft gave plenty of warning on this one as well, so it shouldn't be a surprise.
If you do use your Windows XP computer on the internet, I would STRONGLY suggest that you bite the bullet and upgrade to something newer. If that is not feasible, at least switch to using FireFox as your web browser. I expect the latest version will continue to work on XP for at least a while. Also, make sure your XP machine has every update possible, that will help at least in the short run.
The threats to computers are constantly changing so no system, no matter how well written, can be functional and safe for an indefinite time if it is Internet connected. As a standalone machine it could probably work indefinitely, but once it is connected to the Internet and you expose it to outside threats all bets are off. We could wish otherwise, but that is the nature of the beast.
(Full disclosure -- like a few other folks here, I work in IT doing programming, security, databases, etc.)
While I'm not a Microsoft fan in particular, I will defend them on this one. Windows XP is a 13 year old product -- they have kept it in production/support far longer than the vast majority of other commercial operating systems have been. It has been nearly 5 years since they stopped selling Windows XP. That means that for the last 5 years they have been continuing to develop and patch the system, devoting resources to a product they no longer sell. This requires a huge amount of resources, which is an untenable position for any business -- they need to devote resources to the systems they do currently sell. Microsoft gave plenty of warning on this one as well, so it shouldn't be a surprise.
If you do use your Windows XP computer on the internet, I would STRONGLY suggest that you bite the bullet and upgrade to something newer. If that is not feasible, at least switch to using FireFox as your web browser. I expect the latest version will continue to work on XP for at least a while. Also, make sure your XP machine has every update possible, that will help at least in the short run.
The threats to computers are constantly changing so no system, no matter how well written, can be functional and safe for an indefinite time if it is Internet connected. As a standalone machine it could probably work indefinitely, but once it is connected to the Internet and you expose it to outside threats all bets are off. We could wish otherwise, but that is the nature of the beast.
(Full disclosure -- like a few other folks here, I work in IT doing programming, security, databases, etc.)
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Oh, so I "need" a new computer too?
LOOK OUT, HERE COMES THE SMOKE !!!!!
Oh, so I "need" a new computer too?
LOOK OUT, HERE COMES THE SMOKE !!!!!
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Drew is right on with his advice. Get the XP updates current & stay on top of browser, anti-virus, and related updates (which will continue from the vendors involved). Security Essentials will continue to be updated for at least a year. Firefox running on XP will continue to receive updates, as will Chrome. There's lots of advice on the net on this topic - some of it is even useful.
Drew is right on with his advice. Get the XP updates current & stay on top of browser, anti-virus, and related updates (which will continue from the vendors involved). Security Essentials will continue to be updated for at least a year. Firefox running on XP will continue to receive updates, as will Chrome. There's lots of advice on the net on this topic - some of it is even useful.
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There is no Internet connected device that will continue to function in a secure, useable manner indefinitely without continuing development and updates. None. This is not a device or programming flaw, but a reflection of the ever-changing nature of the Internet. You don't have to like it, but there it is.
Now, I've no idea if you need a new computer. There are a number of options, depending on your usage. Many modern Linux distributions have become simple to install and very user friendly, and some can run on fairly old hardware. Windows XP will not stop working, Microsoft is just not doing any more development work or updates for it. XP will continue to be targeted for exploits, so it will get progressively less secure as time goes on. That's a risk calculation you have to make for yourself.
There is no Internet connected device that will continue to function in a secure, useable manner indefinitely without continuing development and updates. None. This is not a device or programming flaw, but a reflection of the ever-changing nature of the Internet. You don't have to like it, but there it is.
Now, I've no idea if you need a new computer. There are a number of options, depending on your usage. Many modern Linux distributions have become simple to install and very user friendly, and some can run on fairly old hardware. Windows XP will not stop working, Microsoft is just not doing any more development work or updates for it. XP will continue to be targeted for exploits, so it will get progressively less secure as time goes on. That's a risk calculation you have to make for yourself.
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Thanks for the info. I run Win7 on all machines at the museum *except* for the database server. The database host app ("ResourceMate v.3") won't run in any of the compatibility modes of Win7, so I have to keep it on the XP machine. The ResourceMate clients run fine in Win7. The XP machine is only a server, hosting the d/b files and indexes. I can't afford the Win7 version of the database (ResourceMate v.4 app and clients), plus I don't have the time to train our volunteers on how to use it (completely different user interface).
So I'm hoping that the XP machine is relatively (!) safe keeping Security Essentials and the firewall up to date.
It never ends!
Thanks for the info. I run Win7 on all machines at the museum *except* for the database server. The database host app ("ResourceMate v.3") won't run in any of the compatibility modes of Win7, so I have to keep it on the XP machine. The ResourceMate clients run fine in Win7. The XP machine is only a server, hosting the d/b files and indexes. I can't afford the Win7 version of the database (ResourceMate v.4 app and clients), plus I don't have the time to train our volunteers on how to use it (completely different user interface).
So I'm hoping that the XP machine is relatively (!) safe keeping Security Essentials and the firewall up to date.
It never ends!
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What it means is that as those apps are updated and/or replaced, XP systems will become increasingly unable to get them to render or perform properly because XP will be able to translate the new codes those updates will be written with.
What it means is that as those apps are updated and/or replaced, XP systems will become increasingly unable to get them to render or perform properly because XP will be able to translate the new codes those updates will be written with.
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Thanks. Not sure I follow what you're saying, but every little bit helps!
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Thanks. Not sure I follow what you're saying, but every little bit helps!
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Yeah, they're trying to make me broke! Computer and camera at the same time! That isn't cheap... All while a guy tries to get ahead in life... :blue: I just kept my XP computer because it worked good enough for me, I'm not that intensive in my computer use... Meantime have to keep limping my camera along, hope it lasts a little longer...
Tom, while I know nothing about computers, I do know about the fabulous and the large corporations they run.
Yeah, they're trying to make me broke!
Computer and camera at the same time! That isn't cheap... All while a guy tries to get ahead in life... :blue: I just kept my XP computer because it worked good enough for me, I'm not that intensive in my computer use... Meantime have to keep limping my camera along, hope it lasts a little longer...BustedKnuckles
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It will be like trying to play a CD on a phonograph; the new media is too fast and sophisticated for the old technology. As computers get faster and more powerful, programmers develop new techniques that take advantage of that speed and power. Web developers are using all kinds of new coding techniques to create new graphics and interactive tools for web sites. These new technologies require lots of computing power, memory and speed that the old XP machines don't have; the XP-era technology just didn't require it and they will never get any faster. They'll just get left further and further behind.
It will be like trying to play a CD on a phonograph; the new media is too fast and sophisticated for the old technology. As computers get faster and more powerful, programmers develop new techniques that take advantage of that speed and power. Web developers are using all kinds of new coding techniques to create new graphics and interactive tools for web sites. These new technologies require lots of computing power, memory and speed that the old XP machines don't have; the XP-era technology just didn't require it and they will never get any faster. They'll just get left further and further behind.
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They kept it for 13 years because everything else has been CARP (SP)! Including Gates8. Why do you think Balmer is gone?
I killed updates many years ago after they declared WGA "critical" and overrode my and thousands if not hundreds of thousands of more users settings.
All you get with updates is slower OS. All them "KB" files just slow it down. Probably on purpose so you'll buy something new.
I don't trust them, I think the last usable OS they made was XP, I HATE Gates8 with a purple passion.
I won't use office unless I have to...gone to OpenOffice.org long ago.
Aftermarket security, from outfits that specialize in one thing, is far better than the stuff MS flaunts.
I dropped McAfee probably 15 years ago, and when Norton started adding......ASW and AMW together, they went out the window, too.
Wouldn't surprise me if they changes the TOS and killed all XP systems in a year.
And claimed they were free to do it.
To get 8 to work, took an add-on program, and FireFox for a decent browser (they can jam IE11 up their cavities), ThunderBird, as 8 won't support POP3 e-mail accounts, which I still have...ONLY.
Office icon took you to the MS Store, and asked how much do you want to spend? Delete icon, load OpenOffice.
Not worth the effort anymore.
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They kept it for 13 years because everything else has been CARP (SP)! Including Gates8. Why do you think Balmer is gone?
I killed updates many years ago after they declared WGA "critical" and overrode my and thousands if not hundreds of thousands of more users settings.
All you get with updates is slower OS. All them "KB" files just slow it down. Probably on purpose so you'll buy something new.
I don't trust them, I think the last usable OS they made was XP, I HATE Gates8 with a purple passion.
I won't use office unless I have to...gone to OpenOffice.org long ago.
Aftermarket security, from outfits that specialize in one thing, is far better than the stuff MS flaunts.
I dropped McAfee probably 15 years ago, and when Norton started adding......ASW and AMW together, they went out the window, too.
Wouldn't surprise me if they changes the TOS and killed all XP systems in a year.
And claimed they were free to do it.
To get 8 to work, took an add-on program, and FireFox for a decent browser (they can jam IE11 up their cavities), ThunderBird, as 8 won't support POP3 e-mail accounts, which I still have...ONLY.
Office icon took you to the MS Store, and asked how much do you want to spend? Delete icon, load OpenOffice.
Not worth the effort anymore.
Dave
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If you are contemplating a switch to Firefox (which I recommend) I suggest that you use the Firefox ESR Program. It's really intended for organizations and businesses using large numbers of stations but it works perfectly for individuals. Mozilla releases a new version of Firefox every 6 weeks or so. Firefox ESR retains the same version (receiving only security updates) for for a year (8 versions otherwise). This avoids any changes in functionality or conflicts between apps for that 1 year period. I've been on it since 2008 and have been completely satisfied with the result.
If you are contemplating a switch to Firefox (which I recommend) I suggest that you use the Firefox ESR Program. It's really intended for organizations and businesses using large numbers of stations but it works perfectly for individuals. Mozilla releases a new version of Firefox every 6 weeks or so. Firefox ESR retains the same version (receiving only security updates) for for a year (8 versions otherwise). This avoids any changes in functionality or conflicts between apps for that 1 year period. I've been on it since 2008 and have been completely satisfied with the result.
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Dave, I agree with your outlook. You only need a new desktop computer if you are a slave to the big guys. My desk top, a HP Pavilion with a 20 inch screen is almost 20 years old and still works as new! It came with Vista when new and I upgraded it to W-7. It has 600 gig in 2 hard drives and all the bells and whistles. I get messages all the time to upgrade, upgrade! I only upgrade virus protection from Iobit and ignore the rest. I use Advance System Care Pro and System Mechanic Professional to keep things in line. Iobit has some nice free software. So I guess I'm an antique using antique hardware, writing this message on an antique key board. According to Microsoft, this computer should have blown up years ago! Funny it hasn't and still does just about everything the new ones will do. On an earlier computer, I bypassed XP, so I can't comment on it and went from 95 to 98 to ME, Vista and then W-7. I stopped at W-7 as I can't stand W-8 with it's constant wanting to take over the computer. I have one computer with Linux Mint on it and it's twice as fast as any Microsoft program I have. To really throw a monkey wrench into the new computer must have crowd, I bought a new Toshiba mini laptop and it is slower than a computer I had in 1991! Oh it has all the bells and whistles, wireless and all, but it's a new piece of junk! Checked with other owners and all have the same message, JUNK! Recourse, who knows. Oh well, they can keep the new stuff. I guess that's why I like antique cars, were old, but were reliable!:highly_amused:
No I don't use Nortons either!
Dave, I agree with your outlook. You only need a new desktop computer if you are a slave to the big guys. My desk top, a HP Pavilion with a 20 inch screen is almost 20 years old and still works as new! It came with Vista when new and I upgraded it to W-7. It has 600 gig in 2 hard drives and all the bells and whistles. I get messages all the time to upgrade, upgrade! I only upgrade virus protection from Iobit and ignore the rest. I use Advance System Care Pro and System Mechanic Professional to keep things in line. Iobit has some nice free software. So I guess I'm an antique using antique hardware, writing this message on an antique key board. According to Microsoft, this computer should have blown up years ago! Funny it hasn't and still does just about everything the new ones will do. On an earlier computer, I bypassed XP, so I can't comment on it and went from 95 to 98 to ME, Vista and then W-7. I stopped at W-7 as I can't stand W-8 with it's constant wanting to take over the computer. I have one computer with Linux Mint on it and it's twice as fast as any Microsoft program I have. To really throw a monkey wrench into the new computer must have crowd, I bought a new Toshiba mini laptop and it is slower than a computer I had in 1991! Oh it has all the bells and whistles, wireless and all, but it's a new piece of junk! Checked with other owners and all have the same message, JUNK! Recourse, who knows. Oh well, they can keep the new stuff. I guess that's why I like antique cars, were old, but were reliable!:highly_amused:
No I don't use Nortons either!
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