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Are there new Homeland Security rules in the States?

The Mrs. went to get her driver's license renewed this
morning. An every 4 year, usually easy event.

Turn in old license, have new photos taken, wait
a bit and get your renewed, photo ID license.

New rules here. Driver's licenses are now overseen
by Homeland Security. The Mrs waited in line....

The Mrs was told to return home and bring:

1. Current United States of America passport.
2. Original Social Security card
3. Certified copy of birth certificate.
4. Original of last month's utility bill to prove residence

Anyone know when this new law went into effect?
I've not seen my SS card in maybe 40 years time.
I lost it looooong time ago.

d
 
At this time, it must be a Puerto Rico thing or state-specific requirement. My 21- year old son just renewed his license in Illinois...no hoops whatsoever.
 
I think the only time you go through that here - Illinois - is when you let your license expire. Or you have moved here from out of state.
 
Homeland Security called the Mrs a bit ago
here at home. They wanted to know her
father's mother's maiden name!!

The Mrs was found alive in the rubble of a Nazi
bombed building in London and adopted by an
older couple. No idea who her long dead grandmother's
maiden name might have been.

HS are sometimes strange folks.

d
 
I wish they would do that with voter registration...

Oh, on the license thing, yes, as states fall in line with the new federal rules for photo id (usually drivers licenses), it will eventually be done everywhere.
 
Why are they asking for a SSN?? How are they entitled to that??

From "PrivacyRights.Org"

The Privacy Act of 1974 requires all government agencies — federal, state and local — that request SSNs to provide a "disclosure" statement on the form. The statement explains whether you are required to provide your SSN or if it’s optional, how the SSN will be used, and under what statutory or other authority the number is requested (5 USC 552a, note).

The Privacy Act states that you cannot be denied a government benefit or service if you refuse to disclose your SSN unless the disclosure is required by federal law, or the disclosure is to an agency that has been using SSNs before January 1975, when the Privacy Act went into effect. There are other exceptions as well. Read the U.S. Department of Justice's explanation at this Web site, www.usdoj.gov/04foia/1974ssnu.htm

If you are asked to give your SSN to a government agency and no disclosure statement is included on the form, you should complain to the agency and cite the Privacy Act of 1974. You can also contact your Congressional representative and U.S. Senators with your complaint. Unfortunately, there appear to be no penalties when a government agency fails to provide a disclosure statement.


I have doctors and dentists and all sorts of other people and agencies asking for my SSN. I never give it. If they insist, I ask them to show me the form that entitles you to it...I've never seen one!

Edit: WOW, I just read the link that I provided, and it DOES allow state DMVs to ask for SSNs. I know they tried to use them in NY, and it was shot down for some reason...I'd still give them a hard time...I don't think they should be entitled to it.
 
Steve, I could be wrong on this but I'm fairly certain
the Federal Government passed a law that required ALL
residents of Puerto Rico to obtain a passport prior
to Jan 1, 2008.

There's also the flap that some folks don't umderstand
that residents of Puerto Rico are in fact American citizens.
More than a few folks from PR have been arrested and placed
in holding cells because they could not produce a "green card"
when questioned by police. Eventually, they are all released.

I've been pulled over by the Homeland Security boys while
boating. Not what you'd call a friendly bunch.

d
 
TR6oldtimer said:
I wish they would do that with voter registration...

Oh, on the license thing, yes, as states fall in line with the new federal rules for photo id (usually drivers licenses), it will eventually be done everywhere.
Click to expand...

<span style="font-weight: bold">Is that your OPINION or a fact based on something official?</span>
 
Dale - could all that be because your wife is a naturalized citizen & not by birth? We've not had to do that here yet.I think if the gov't mandated that I have a passport, they should pay for it! Driving is a privilege that I pay for (license)...being born a US citizen is not a privilege I should pay for!
 
angelfj said:
TR6oldtimer said:
I wish they would do that with voter registration...

Oh, on the license thing, yes, as states fall in line with the new federal rules for photo id (usually drivers licenses), it will eventually be done everywhere.
Click to expand...

<span style="font-weight: bold">Is that your OPINION or a fact based on something official?</span>
Click to expand...

The regulation is found in the REAL ID Act, a discussion of which can be found here. The passport deal in Puerto Rico is something I have no opinion on.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REAL_ID_Act#Documentation_required_before_issuing_a_license_or_ID_card
 
New York just started issuing new style Licences and I.D.s recently, and quickly found out that the scanner machines that most of our stores use to have proof of age for buying beer and ciggies, won't read the bar code on them. bwahahahahaha!
 
Here in GA, you have to provide one form of ID to provide who you are, either an unexpired passport, birth certificate, immigration card, or military ID. Then you need to provide proof of residence, unexpired drivers license, utility bill, lease, etc... Then you need to provide proof of citizenship. I went round and round with the state over the fact that my passport proved that I was a citizen, and it is listed under the proof of citizenship accepted forms, but the lady at the counter wanted another form to check off the list. Needless to say getting my DL back from Georgia was a major PITA, that almost cost me my airport badge, because an out of state DL will not be accepted for an Atlanta Airport Security Identification Display Area badge. We also went to the option of either having a five year license or a ten year license. Guess which one I got?


Now when I was in Oklahoma, I was able to use my Passport, GA DL, and my FAA mechanic's certificate. According to the person working the office there, my FAA mechanic's certificate wasn't listed under approved forms, but a pilot's certificate was, and if the FAA said I was who I was, then who was he to argue. He was a private pilot by the way.
 
tony barnhill said:
Dale - could all that be because your wife is a naturalized citizen & not by birth? We've not had to do that here yet.I think if the gov't mandated that I have a passport, they should pay for it! Driving is a privilege that I pay for (license)...being born a US citizen is not a privilege I should pay for!
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Tony, I am a naturalized citizen, and I have not had to jump through hoops as Dale describes!!!

I do not believe that the government mandates that you MUST have a passport,and it really is not all that expensive (when one considers the administrative costs of determining if you are really entitled to one) hence we have to shoulder the cost of one. IMHO, there should not be much difference since both documents enable one to travel! It raises the question though, is traveling a privilege or just the operating of a vehicle?
 
Mike - I'm thinking its just PR that's jumping through hoops!

Jerri & I maintain active passports because I'm always somewhere in the world (well, used to be) & we travel on vacation....but, when the gov't required me to have a passport for travel, they provided it at no cost to me.
 
tony barnhill said:
Mike - I'm thinking its just PR that's jumping through hoops!
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I'm not sure Tony. Homeland Security required we have passport to travel
to St Croix, US Virgin Islands. They required we have passports to re-enter PR.

For a fact: Homeland Security checks EVERY cruise ship passenger for passports
before the ship is permitted to dock.

And Homeland Security certainly stops and checks speedy, red fishing boats
in San Juan waters.

d
 
True...all US citizens must have passports to travel in & out of Caribbean/Central american countries - that's a new change.

But, passport to get drivers license?
 
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