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dash gauges-faces-replacements?

trfourtune

Jedi Knight
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hi,
anyone out there know of anyone that does instrument rebuilding that can replace the chrome rings and faces of my gauges with original appearing jaeger.1962 tr4.
yes i know that i could start buying used replacement gauges
, even ones that don't work to salvage the faces and rings.
rob
 
Check out nisonger. They do good work and can do whatever you need. But they are not cheap, somthing like $150-160 a guage to "restore" it. When I spoke to him we were just atalking about the speedo and tach, so I don't know it the smaller guages are any different.

Good luck


https://www.nisonger.com/
 
Rob: Give it shot yourself before you spend big bucks.

All the gauges come apart fairly easily with a single
edged straight razor, needle nosed pliers and a small
flat screwdriver.

Slide the razor between the glass and the gauge outside
chrome ring to break the sealant compound. It will be
brittle most likely; so it will be slow going. Think 20
minutes for a fuel gauge.

Now turn the gauge over and look for the small tabs that
hold the outer ring to the body. Slightly bend them toward
the outside.

Now grip the chrome ring in one hand and the gauge body
in the other. Try to "unscrew " the chrome ring. If it
will not move, you have not completely broken the original
sealant compound. Try more razor work.

Once the chrome ring will move, it will lift straight up
off the inside mounting band with maybe only 1/4" of turn.
Move it back and forth until you FEEL the release tabs.

Remove the outer ring, glass and inner mounting ring.

000 steel wool or 600 grit wet paper the metal pieces.
(I primed and painted mine metallic gun barrel smoke gray)

Gently spray the dial face with EndDust or similar product.
Gentle cotton swab and it should be good as new.

****!!! Ya broke the glass?? Me too on my first try.
Two for a $1.00 at the local glass shop to get new ones.

You want shiny chrome outside rings? I'm fairly sure Victoria Bristish and The Roadster Factory sell them.

Clean out all the brittle old sealant and install new.
I used clear silicon sealant. Put everything back together.

Hope this helps,

Tinster
 
Once again, Tinster has a great explanation on a how-to-do project. I might even attempt that on some spare guages over the winter.

That being said, I don't believe the even Nisonger will restore a face to the original "black and pure white" look that most are trying to achieve. To replaced the yellowed lettering and numbers would require new silk screening and now you are into BIG bucks, from what I've heard.

There's a guy called the "Tachman" in GA, who does that work but will only do muscle cars, not anything foreign. I tried to talk him into it, but was politely told no way! I've heard that a company out of NY will send them overseas for new silk screening, but again, big bucks and mucho delay.
 
Paul: Here is a refurbishing technique that works
maybe 50-60% of the time. Try it as a last resort for
dial faces, etc.

Take everything apart and clean it up real good.
Now very carefully painter tape mask everything
but the dial face. Two coats white primer paint
for the face.

Go to Office Max etc and purchase a sheet of those
peel and stick letters/numbers. Color does not matter.

Choose the exact numbers or letters for your gauge face
but do not yet remove them from the sheet.

Get a box of tooth picks and snip a few to 1/4" length
or so. Use household cement and put a very tiny dap on
each letter or number you intend to use and with tweezers
embed a stubby toothpick in each dab. Allow to dry 24 hours.

With a pointy exacto blade, carefully remove one letter or
number at a time from the sheet and lightly put in place on
the dial face. Once you are happy with the layout, press down a little on each toothpick.

Flat black spray paint everything-the dial face, toothpicks
and peel & stick letters or numbers. Use as little black as
you need to make it black. No overkill here or it will fail.

Now the tricky part-perfect timing required.

Before the paint has set up but after it will not run-
Remove the toothpicks and the letters/numbers underneath.
You may need the pointy exacto blade to get the letters
started to unbond from the primer.

You now have a flat black dial face with crisp white
letters or numbers.

I have accomplished this task. When it works the results
are stunning. 50 to 60% chance it will work if you take the
time. 40% to 50% chance the black paint will peel as you
lift off the letters.

Like I said, a last ditch effort to refurbish before
spending outrageous $$ for replacements.

tin
 
Hi,

I honestly don't remember the last time I restored a gauge, but I do believe you can accomplish a lot yourself. Just based on somewhat similar work I've done recently, here is what I'd try:

These are mostly products and methods I've used to make cameras and lenses from the 1950s and 1960s look close to new and get them working perfectly. Reconditioning gauges is not all that different. The ages of the paint and types of finishes are in many cases quite similar.

If at all possible, test any and all cleaners on a hidden area first, to see if it's going to lift or soften paint, and to get feel for how it works.

It's impossible to be 100% certain any single product will work in each and every case, even if the parts all came off the same assembly line originally. This is because the paint has likely been "modified" to some extent by years of environmental. These effects will likely be different from one car to the next, since they have been exposed to differing environments. For example, "yellowing" in one case may be from a previous owners cigars, or from "gassing off" of a vinyl interior in another, or maybe even "kitchen grease" in another. Who knows! The upshot is that cleaner might work perfectly in one case, but less effectively or even detrimentally in another. Again, test on a hidden area to be sure!

First look for and try a product called Endust for Electronics. (You probably won't need to buy a carton of 12, this link is for the photo only.) I'd avoid spraying it directly onto (and into) the gauge. Instead spray onto a soft cloth and use that to clean the face of the gauge. This stuff also comes on pre-moistened wipes and in pump sprays.

This will usually do a great job brightening old paint and removing years of grime and yellowing, but needs to be done cautiously because sometimes it will soften paint to the point it can be smeared or even completely wiped off. Again, test a small, hidden area first!

Many glass/surface cleaners work well too, but I'd avoid using anything with ammonia. Many non-ammonia cleaners might be used first, but will still need to be followed up with a product like Endust or some isopropyl (rubbing) alcohol.

You might try cotton swabs (Q-tips), but be a little careful, perhaps only on the exterior and not inside the mechanism. I was taught to avoid using Q-Tips inside cameras and lenses because they will always leave fine cotton hairs behind that can jam things up. The same might be true of gauges, although generally they are less complex and nowhere near as delicate as the insides of most cameras!

Gauges can get pretty nasty inside, too. There is probably old oil or grease that's dried out, gathered dirt over the years and might foul the mechanism. Several products that can be used as degreasers inside camera equipment might be very helpful with gauges, too.

Try to find Asahikalin AK225. This is an excellent light duty degreaser spray that works about the best of any inside delicate mechanisms and evaporates very quickly.

Another thing that works really well as a degreaser is Ronsonol Lighter Fluid, which is basically the same as dry cleaning fluid, but for some reason seems to be a purer quality (even though it's much cheaper). A tip that sometimes helps jammed or sticky camera shutter and aperture mechanisms, I've used lighter fluid as a degreaser and stirred in a bit of powdered graphite (aka lock lubricant, in tubes, in hardware stores) This will re-lubricate things at the same time the old grease is being "flooded" out.

Of course, be extra careful using lighter fluid! It's highly flammable... After all it's lighter fluid! Asahikalin is not flammable.

Other re-lubrication will likely be needed. Gauges are generally much coarser mechanisms than cameras and lenses (where "dampening" grease with varoius wieghts and properties might actually be used to "adjust" clearances and "tune" the feel of, say, a focusing ring or shutter advance mechanism) so in many cases simply a good, non-oiling grease and one or two weights of clear oil (sewing machine or watch oil are particularly light types) will probably be all that's needed. Use needle oilers (some are actually hypodermics with different sizes of blunt "needles"), toothpicks, etc. to put just a little oil or grease right where it's needed, not all over the place.

Dielectric grease might be used in rheostats to both lubricate the mechanism and prevent or delay more oxidization in the future. It's available as "Spark Plug Boot" grease in auto parts stores, in little packets, or in squeeze tubes as "Bulb Grease" (for light bulbs) in hardware stores.

Some gauges (and cameras) have white or black nylon gears in them. These call for special grease, or the nylon might be damaged. Often what is safe to use are non-mineral synthetics such as this stuff. Hopefully you can find something cheaper, though!

Never, EVER spray WD40 in this sort of work. The stuff works fine anywhere it can be re-applied easily and often. But sprayed inside a mechanism that's normally well sealed and inaccessible, it will too quickly dry out and probably cause things to start sticking. Best avoided.

For mechanical/electrical mechanisms, there are two other products that can be very helpful, available at Radio Shack or similar stores. "Color TV Tuner Cleaner and Lubricant" is a spray that can restore a lot of contact type mechanisms to full function. I've used this stuff to get many switches and rheostats working again, even around the home and in the car.

There are also "electrical contact cleaners" that might help, but many of these really aren't much more than isopropyl alcohol. A couple true deoxidizers that I know really work and can be very useful revujenating old electrical contacts are Stabilant 22 and DeOxit . Unfortunately, both are quite expensive. Still, they often quickly solve problems that nothing else will.

There are many sources of paint. Try Testor model paints, available in many toy and hobby stores, for quick drying paint in small quantites and a wide variety of colors.

If a needle needs touch-up, I think I'd usually paint the entire needle, rather than try to precisely match a color for a partial touch-up.

Red paints are more prone to fading than other colors, so an area on the tach where the redline is marked might look particularly old and dingy. Clean the face well first, perhaps with alcohol to remove any and all grease so new paint will stick. Then slightly thin the right color/gloss of some model paint and brush it on carefully with a very fine, high quality brush. The reason for thinning the paint a little is so that brush strokes will level out.

In terms of a black dial face, with it's imprinted lettering, that's more of a problem if you need to preserve the existing letters. I have about 30 different bottles of "black" paint for use on cameras. There are limitless shades and glosses of black, plus age tends to fade or color-shift much of it, making it difficult to match for small touchups.

Still, sometimes it's possible to get very close with a custom mixed color/gloss. Just be very patient, mix and let completely dry many experimental formulas before actually applying any directly to the gauge face (where YOU will ALWAYS notice any error, even if it's so small that no one else ever does).

Something else to NEVER use around painted surfaces is "disk brake degreaser". It will remove grease and oil wonderfully, and some types leave little if any residue once they quickly evaporate.... HOWEVER, it will aggressively remove most paints, too! Makes a good "stripper" in fact, for engine paints and more.

Almost any kitchen glass/surface cleaner can be used as a first step cleaning the lens of the gauge, of course. One tip: follow up the glass cleaner with isopropyl (rubbing) alcohol to really get it sparkling. I always do this when framing photographs, for example, where the goal is an archivally sealed picture and the glass must be absolutely clean and spotless.

While the gauge front is disassembled is a great time to really, properly clean up the chrome bezel, too. Simichrome is a good product, and so is Mother's Chrome Polish. I'm sure the Mother's leaves a protective coating that lasts a long time (chrome is actually porous, needs to be sealed), probably the Simichrome does too. Polishing "wadding" is another type of product that might help clean up somewhat crusty, corroded bezels. This is sort of a tear-off cotton that has polish already in it. Just wipe off the residue when it dries. Another good product for both chrome and other metals is "Mr. Metal". A bit hard to find but cleans things up really well.

Hope this helps!
 
There are companies that do gusge work listed in Hemmings motor news. I seem to remember that while doing some bathroom reading.
 
The posts above give several good explanations of disassembly and cleaning. Instead of adding to that, I'll point out a couple of DIY options relative to face restoration and customization.

Hammermill paper products used to sell an "outdoor sign" making material that you could buy in 8.5x11" sheets at the office supply stores. You can use that with a graphics program to produce your own new peel-n-stick faces for your gauges. I haven't seen the Hammermill product in stores recently but you may still be able to find it if you look around.

A similar approach can be taken by visiting MicroMark online. MicroMark sells all kinds of hobby related products and tools. There are things there for every DIYer. One product they offer relative to this thread is DIY decal making kits. The material is supplied in 8.5x11" sheets so you can run it through either laser or inkjet printers. Like the outdoor sign material mentioned above, this would let you design your own gauge faces. I haven't tried the decal material but, ironically, I ordered some last week to try on a friend's custom gauge application.

If you take either of these approaches to make new gauge faces, practice over and over again on plain paper first before printing on the more expensive decal material. Cutting out printed paper gauge faces will allow you to confirm the final size and appearance.
 
I'll add another recommendation that I've learned: The dial "needles" or indicators often become chipped or discolored. I've learned that one can make new ones from clock dials from your local hobby store. Paint them white and glue them over existing ones or carefully snip the old needle and glue the replacement over the remaining "stub".
 
On a really old gauge (40-50 years) the white lettering can indeed become fragile -- a good sneeze is about all that's needed to wipe them off the face.

One trick I learned when I had an Italian car is that a quick light mist of Spray Pledge Furniture Polish will revive the face, restoring the dark flat black.

DO NOT TRY THIS on a British gauge w/o first experimenting with a gauge face you can afford to ruin. Worked on the Eye-tlian gauge but should be tested first before trying on a good British gauge.
 
I am a firm believer in do-it-yourself. That said, I ended up sending mine to Nisonger and am glad that I did. Simple enough.

The speedo they recalibrated to my new overdrive and tyre size. It failed forthwith. They honored it even quicker.

Some things need to be left to the pros.

Bill
 
"Some things need to be left to the pros".

There are occasions involving special tools and equipment where I have to agree. This comment also applies on any procedure where a DIYer has no confidence in his/her own work. However, seeing that statement here brought back memories from my youth. (Sorry, flashback to follow).

Flashback: When I was about 10 years old I went with my brother-in-law to his friends house where they spent the afternoon putting a new exhaust system on his VW bus. They were having a heck of a time getting it installed and I made the mistake of asking why they bothered... why didn't they just take it to the dealer. My bro-in-law's friend slid out from under the car, looked at me, picked up a Bentley manual and said "Why take your car to the dealer and pay them to read a book like this and do the job? You can buy the book and do it yourself for a lot less money". That was a turning point in my life.
 
I'm wondering here Doug-
"This comment also applies on any procedure where a
DIYer has no confidence in his/her own work."

I am like totally ignorant when it comes to auto mechanics.
I know almost nothing at all.

Eight months ago I did not even own a set of socket tools.
I guess being ignorant gives one confidence. Also, since I
am working on a dead crypt car, it don't matter all that much if I mess up something. LOL!!

But I kinda agree with the friend. I have paid $85 an hour
to watch a mechanic use my own Bently book to make repairs to my TR.--then it died for the duration.

Now I have spent over a $grand in tools and I'll attempt most anything.

later gator,

tin
 
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