Communion

[JPSmit]

use grape juice instead of real wine. ( at least the ones down here.)

Dry county?

no, a legacy of the temperance movement.

 

[Mickey Richaud]

use grape juice instead of real wine. ( at least the ones down here.)

Dry county?

no, a legacy of the temperance movement.

As long as we're into history here, that's a big reason for the beginning of Welch's Grape Juice!

 

[JPSmit]

So all christian religions have communion.
Well I'll be dipped. Didn't know that
Thought it was just the Catholics and their offshoots

We all started HOLY Catholic Church (Catholic means universal - and this is why Protestants say the Apostles Creed.)

JP, you meant Catholics, right? I've never heard Protestants say it, but all Catholics I know do.

Don, Protestants use grape juice instead of real wine. ( at least the ones down here.)

(NOTE: the protestants that I speak of are the non robe wearing type. I have no knowledge of the other off shoots of Catholisism.)

I mean everybody, initially there was only one church, originally centered in Jerusalem but relatively quickly (100 years or so) moved to Rome. That was the Holy Catholic Church - only after the splits did it become the Roman Catholic Church.

And, yes, Anglicans can marry
And yes Protestant churches do use wine - tends to be a local choice
And FWIW the Salvation Army has historically not had communion or baptism either (non-sacramental) though that is changing a little now

 

[GeeBee1]

As long as we're into history here, that's a big reason for the beginning of Welch's Grape Juice!

Thanks Mickey, I got some education.

 

[Silverghost]

One of my favorite classes in college was "The Bible as History". We looked at the bible as an historical document, setting aside it's religious aspects. I found it really interesting - I am something of a history buff. As an historical document, it has been determined to be fairly accurate and lets us look back at the world and humanity in its earlier days.

 

[DNK]

Mickey, Welches being from Wales?

 

[Mickey Richaud]

Mickey, Welches being from Wales?

Nope - that would be Welsh.

The Welches were from the NE - New York or New Jersey, I think.

 

[GeeBee1]

The story of Welch's began in 1869 in Vineland, New Jersey – when physician and dentist Thomas Bramwell Welch and his son Charles processed the first bottles of "unfermented wine" to use during their church's communion service.

 

[JPSmit]

The story of Welch's began in 1869 in Vineland, New Jersey – when physician and dentist Thomas Bramwell Welch and his son Charles processed the first bottles of "unfermented wine" to use during their church's communion service.

As an aside, two churches ago I served a congregation that had white grape juice and red wine on the tray so people could choose according to their own comfort level. One member, who had only ever taken the red looked at the tray and "naturally assumed" we were a classy church giving folk the choice of red or white wine - he was a little disappointed to find it wasn't so.

 

[DNK]

Love a good history lesson

Nope - that would be Welsh.

The Welches were from the NE - New York or New Jersey, I think.

DOH!

 

[bugimike]

Greek Orthodox priests are also allowed to be married, but I believe only if they were married prior to being ordained!

 

[JPSmit]

Greek Orthodox priests are also allowed to be married, but I believe only if they were married prior to being ordained!

I think so, most of them you can't ever be bishop if you're married either

 

[Guest]

In the same informational spirit:

Greg, I do live in a dry county, but that has nothing to do with it. South MS is 90% Southern Baptist, and you'll never find the real stuff in ANY service here. I also haven't even seen it in any of the other protestant churches in south La. Once again, the suited preacher churches. I know nothing of the Catholic offshoots.

The running joke among Baptists down here is they all drink, just not around each other...

The weird thing about SB's, is they aren't affilicated w/ each other. Each church makes it's own doctrinal and staffing decisions, usually through a vote durring a business meeting. They aren't connected through a higher authority like Catholics. There is an SB Association, but it's more of a social network. No one answers to anybody. Rest assured, if someone gets out of line (a pastor or memeber), it's "dealt" with, but not in an offical capacity. The good ole boy network gits-er-dun. You would think there is a chain of command outside each church but there isn't.

This is true of the smaller churches, I have no knowledge of the larger ones. They also vote members in. You can attend a church for 15 years and still not be considered a member unless you've "joined". Only memebers can vote; no matter how long you've been there, unless you walk the isle and state you want to join, you can't vote. You can walk the isle the first time you're there and vote at the next business meeting not knowing anything, but the 15 year, "non memeber" can't. I've never seen anything like it anywhere else.

So, theoreticly, a SB church could vote to have real wine, but it would never happen. Allot of places do it simply to make it easy on recovering alcoholics, which I think is pretty cool.

I'm not SB myself, but I know allot of SB pastors and deacons.


Besides, I would never want to join an organization that would have me as a member.