T-Series Clutch MC

[DrEntropy]

Thank you Bob! Those flex lines are sooo ignored.

WD-40 would be my last choice tho. "WD" means "Water Displacement".... NOT a penetrant. PB Blaster is th' most common GOOD penetrating lube available.

 

[bob67bgt]

WD 40 is also a penetrant. Says so right on the can!I think it was originally intended as a water displacement product but does BOTH. What works better is a personal opinion. I am pretty sure the idea i was trying to make was understood about soaking the line nut. I am using a different product right now and assessing it. Its a bit off the wall and i will share the info if i am happy with the results. Bob

 

[DrEntropy]

I've tried WD-40, CRC's 5-56, some LP Industries stuff, candle wax, even dye penetrant from a "poor man's Magnaflux" but keep goin' back to Blaster.

 

[Scott_Hower]

WD 40 is also a penetrant. Says so right on the can!I think it was originally intended as a water displacement product but does BOTH. What works better is a personal opinion. I am pretty sure the idea i was trying to make was understood about soaking the line nut. I am using a different product right now and assessing it. Its a bit off the wall and i will share the info if i am happy with the results. Bob

Erm... with all due respect, you would be wrong. It is not personal opinion/preference, it is a matter of results.

The pro wrenches swear by Kroil, Liquid Wrench and/or PB Plaster. WD-40 is a thin oil, but those in the know use a real penetrating oil.

 

[bob67bgt]

So am i back over at the mgb experience? DrE says its not a penetrant. The can says it is. And you are saying ERM...i would be wrong!!! A point was being made to assist. Soak the nut. Also i was explaining WHY the problem occured not just a "fix this". If people know why it happened then they will have a better understanding of the problem. Want to start a thread about penetrants? May be accurate as far as how well it works but it is a personal opinion. We all KNOW MG's are better than TR's Which is a personal opinion and over at the TR boards they KNOW the TR's are better than MG's. Whats you point? Why bash the new guy that made a valid point to assist a fellow Mg'er. I looked at some history on this site and alot of people only posted a couple of times. Maybe i know the reason why. Thanks for the great "welcome to the Forum",now go away. And thats my opinion. Bob

 

[tony barnhill]

Most of the time when you get a new slave cyl for a mgb the bleeder is in the wrong hole. It ships easier that way. Be sure that the bleeder faces the right side of the car and not the front. When the flex line goes bad from the inside it will not release fluid fast enough. Then when you pumped the pedal pressure kept building up in the slave cylinder and pushing the piston further out till it blew. That also explains why you had a slipage problem. Start soaking the steel line where it goes into the flex line with a wd 40 type product. The nut tends to stick to the steel line and that may help. Good luck. Bob

Good advice, Bob (& you'd be surprised how many people don't move the bleeder to the correct hole - yep, they put it in the wrong hole purely as a packaging aid)....I think a key word in Bob's answer is "WD-40-type product"...what Bob is saying to do is something I always do: put, in my case PB Blaster, on the nut at the end of the steel line & turn it several times to get rid of the rust between it & the hard line (at one time I also used WD-40 for that type job).

Thank you Bob! Those flex lines are sooo ignored.

WD-40 would be my last choice tho. "WD" means "Water Displacement".... NOT a penetrant. PB Blaster is th' most common GOOD penetrating lube available.

More good advice...Bob & Doc are both correct....the first thing I always look at in a clutch system is that flex line in front of the slave cylinder...everybody ignores it & they collapes inside causing clutch problems.

...&, reading from the WD-40 can I have in my hand, it does say "Loosens Rusted Pieces"....whether or not it actually does that is, well, something else....I've gotten to where I use PB Blaster for everything that's rusted or needs loosening.....but WD-40 does claim it does that & I also used it for many years until I found PB Blaster.

Erm... with all due respect, you would be wrong. It is not personal opinion/preference, it is a matter of results.

The pro wrenches swear by Kroil, Liquid Wrench and/or PB Plaster. WD-40 is a thin oil, but those in the know use a real penetrating oil.

Again, I agree with Scott that I prefer PB Blaster (don't consider myself a "pro wrench" though) but that doesn't mean WD-40 won't do what its designed to do...& until I found PB, I used WD-40 for all the things it says it does on the can: "Stops Squeaks", "Cleans and Protects", "Loosens Rusted Parts", "Frees Sticky Mechanisms", and "Drives Out Moisture" in that order because it actually does each of them - just not as well, IMO, as other products.

But, instead of hanging on the merits of WD-40, PB Blaster, etc. we've gotta get Ray's clutch system fixed....I've ordered a new clutch slave cylindetr & flex hose for him....while he's waiting on them, there are some things he can do:

1) Remove the old hose & cylinder
2) Make sure the nut on the end of the hard line is free
3) Were it me, blow air through the hard line from the master cylinder to the slave, making sure its clear, & while at it, check to make sure there are no kinks in the hard line.
4) With a syringe, suck all the old brake fluid out of the master cylinder & run new fluid through it until he's seeing clean fluid exiting the hard line.

Just some things I do, FWIW.

{Oh, Bob, don't leave us - you've added some valuable information to the discussion....& discussion is what we do over here; we just don't get personal (or at least I didn't think we did)...continue to jump in even when your position is different from those of others....we all learn from those type discussions.}

 

[Scott_Hower]

So am i back over at the mgb experience? DrE says its not a penetrant. The can says it is. And you are saying ERM...i would be wrong!!! A point was being made to assist. Soak the nut. Also i was explaining WHY the problem occured not just a "fix this". If people know why it happened then they will have a better understanding of the problem. Want to start a thread about penetrants? May be accurate as far as how well it works but it is a personal opinion. We all KNOW MG's are better than TR's Which is a personal opinion and over at the TR boards they KNOW the TR's are better than MG's. Whats you point? Why bash the new guy that made a valid point to assist a fellow Mg'er. I looked at some history on this site and alot of people only posted a couple of times. Maybe i know the reason why. Thanks for the great "welcome to the Forum",now go away. And thats my opinion. Bob

Welcome to the forum Bob. Nobody is trying to bash the new guy. My point was simply this... in my (and many other) people's experience here, a penetrating oil is a better product for this purpose than WD-40. Penetrating oil is specifically formulated to break surface tension and creep into teenie tiny little places. Most of them smell really bad too

Sorry if I have offended you; it was certainly not my intention. Thanks for the suggestion.

 

[bob67bgt]

Scott, Not a problem. Typing a thought does not always translate to the mind of the other person as one may expect. Its easy to get ones feathers ruffled when in fact everyone is pulling in the same direction. Now, lets get some real car work done! Once i figure out how to post some pics i will let the group see and comment on my latest project. Bob

 

[tony barnhill]

Bob - You've got a PM about how to upload photos...if I can do it, anybody can!! hehehe

 

[DrEntropy]

So am i back over at the mgb experience? DrE says its not a penetrant. The can says it is. And you are saying ERM...i would be wrong!!! A point was being made to assist. Soak the nut. Also i was explaining WHY the problem occured not just a "fix this". If people know why it happened then they will have a better understanding of the problem. Want to start a thread about penetrants? May be accurate as far as how well it works but it is a personal opinion. We all KNOW MG's are better than TR's Which is a personal opinion and over at the TR boards they KNOW the TR's are better than MG's. Whats you point? Why bash the new guy that made a valid point to assist a fellow Mg'er. I looked at some history on this site and alot of people only posted a couple of times. Maybe i know the reason why. Thanks for the great "welcome to the Forum",now go away. And thats my opinion. Bob

WHOA!!!! IN NO WAY am I suggestin' ANYTHING like sayin' "now go away!" to you!!! Slooow down! I ~honestly complimented you~ on bringing attention to those flex lines and how they're "taken for granted"... then I merely (not just "opinion" Sir) suggested PB Blaster to be a true penetrant, where WD-40 is a water displacing LUBRICANT... NO intent to belittle, insult, accuse or any such thing!!

And honestly: <span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-size: 20pt">WELCOME TO THE FORUM!!</span></span>

 

[Bruce74B]

I, as well as many others I am sure, have picked up a lot of useful idea from this Forum. As a former WD40 user, I learned of PBBlaster is a similar thread as this a few years ago...I am have been very appreciative of that casual mention, as was this thread. We all have one thing in common, but some difference of options and less that tactful delivery of same is no reason to have hard feelings.

Welcome to the forum...I see you have some friends here already a look forward to future exchanges of ideas and opinions.

Bruce

 

[bob67bgt]

Bruce, thanks for the welcome. I have no hard feelings on this end. Now if i can only get that pic thing sorted out....It would be nice to see a bit more action on this board. Bob

 

[tony barnhill]

Bruce, thanks for the welcome. I have no hard feelings on this end. Now if i can only get that pic thing sorted out....It would be nice to see a bit more action on this board. Bob

Ah, Bob, over here we go for quality, not quantity!

 

[DrEntropy]

...says the OTHER guy closin' in on 20 THOUSAND posts....

 

[Mickey Richaud]

...says the OTHER guy closin' in on 20 THOUSAND posts....

Deaf ears, Bro - I've already chastised him this week!

:angel:

 

[vping]

Wow Doc! You might pass Tony and beat 'em to 20k!

 

[tony barnhill]

Not

 

[tony barnhill]

Gonna

 

[tony barnhill]

Happen

 

[tony barnhill]

...unless Doc gets into the CAB!!