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any thoughts on Windows 10?
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wow and will they figure out you own both of them?
They know. Plus the XP-64 upstairs for the wife, plus the XP on the old Dell laptop.
Just going to mess with their....minds? Do they have minds to mess with?
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I remember using Wordstar when I was a young LT back in the early 80s. I don't remember what computers we used, but I do remember the small green or black )or sometiscreens!
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Basil - this might ring a bell:
I wrote my doctoral dissertation using WordStar on an Osborne portable. Wow.
Hmm - maybe instead of "ring a bell" I should say "control+G"?
Just for fun, go to a Command prompt, and type:
echo ^G (the word "echo" followed by holding down the Ctrl key and hitting the G key)
Then hit the Enter key.
The "BEL" code has been used for over 100 years to sound a bell or a beep.
Thank you, Mr. Wizard.
I wrote my doctoral dissertation using WordStar on an Osborne portable. Wow.
Hmm - maybe instead of "ring a bell" I should say "control+G"?
Just for fun, go to a Command prompt, and type:
echo ^G (the word "echo" followed by holding down the Ctrl key and hitting the G key)
Then hit the Enter key.
The "BEL" code has been used for over 100 years to sound a bell or a beep.
Thank you, Mr. Wizard.
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Around '82 I got a new office mate who had just retired from Exxon/Florham Park here in NJ. Exxon gave him a nice Osborne portable as a going-away gift and he brought to work for us to play with all the time. I was fascinated with it.
I had already bought a Timex-Sinclair 1000. For the Timex, you stored info on a audio tape. The Osborne with it's disk drives seemed so modern. In the previous place I worked (around '81) they had bought Commodore VIC-20s. Eventually, I bought one of those myself.
As well as the 5.25 floppies, I recall the 8" jobs but I never used them.
I had already bought a Timex-Sinclair 1000. For the Timex, you stored info on a audio tape. The Osborne with it's disk drives seemed so modern. In the previous place I worked (around '81) they had bought Commodore VIC-20s. Eventually, I bought one of those myself.
As well as the 5.25 floppies, I recall the 8" jobs but I never used them.
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Hey Tom. For couple of years I was in the typesetting business. Bell codes were used exclusively anytime there was a font change, point size change, leading change.
Does anyone still use kerning?
Does anyone still use kerning?
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Doesn't MS Office use it? PJ
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To get back on track, I've "reserved" my free upgrade.
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Any computer, tablet, phone etc that supports proportional fonts uses it, including Windows itself.
Re Windows 10, we'll install it on several machines but it won't be free. We may not pay MS but our satellite internet provider will bag us for downloading so much data. I read recently that this upgrade will probably be the biggest (in terms of data downloaded) single update in history. It's a huge effort on MS's part and probably more of a technical achievement than most of us realize.
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But it's still MicroSlime...and I trust them about as much as I trust the gummint.
IF they play hardball (and I recall MS stating many years ago they had the ability to turn off any computer at will using MS), I'll do something else, and it won't be Mac.
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That is just like getting a registered letter BAD NEWS!!-:highly_amused:
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Note that Win 10 is the start of MS's "Windows as a Service" approach. On balance, it could be a ~good~ thing, but it'll take getting used to. It appears that users of the Windows 10 "Home" version will have no choice regarding updates - they will be downloaded and installed as they become available. Win 10 Pro and most other versions can delay the update process but can't keep delaying for too long. Users on business plans get more flexibility but it's clear that the days of user control of updating are dwindling.
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https://www.dummies.com/how-to/conten...indows-81.html
This is on 8..and 10 is admitted by MicroSlime to collect MORE DATA:
"Microsoft isn't trying to steal your data or somehow use your identity for illegal purposes. It isn’t. At this point, Microsoft mostly wants to identify your buying patterns and your interests, so it can serve you ads that you will click, for products that you will buy. That’s where the money is.
Although Google freely admits that it scans your inbound and outbound Gmail e-mail, all the better to generate ads that you will click, Microsoft (as of mid-2013, anyway) insists that it doesn’t — ergo, the infamous Scroogled ads, where in the pot and kettle somehow tie it on. Don’t be fooled.
Microsoft does scan Hotmail/Outlook.com mail and tiled Mail app messages that you receive with Windows 8.1 — for spam detection, if nothing else. Whether MS will start keeping track of detailed information about your messages in the future is very hard to say."
You have been warned.
If nothing else, they will target you with ads, probably pop-ups you cannot turn off (if you are very familiar with XP or even I have been told 7, you can get anywhere and see anything...but not on 8 or 8.1, even Pro..trust me) data sold to outsiders (third party) who will spam you with ads and most likely spam to boot....and you think that's a good thing?
ANYTIME the biggies say "we will never do this" you can bet your hindquarters they already are and are planning (with new OS you must buy because they said the old one is "no longer supported") to do a whole lot more.
Someday the populace will get their collective heads out into the sunshine and there will be screaming like you've never heard before.
This is on 8..and 10 is admitted by MicroSlime to collect MORE DATA:
"Microsoft isn't trying to steal your data or somehow use your identity for illegal purposes. It isn’t. At this point, Microsoft mostly wants to identify your buying patterns and your interests, so it can serve you ads that you will click, for products that you will buy. That’s where the money is.
Although Google freely admits that it scans your inbound and outbound Gmail e-mail, all the better to generate ads that you will click, Microsoft (as of mid-2013, anyway) insists that it doesn’t — ergo, the infamous Scroogled ads, where in the pot and kettle somehow tie it on. Don’t be fooled.
Microsoft does scan Hotmail/Outlook.com mail and tiled Mail app messages that you receive with Windows 8.1 — for spam detection, if nothing else. Whether MS will start keeping track of detailed information about your messages in the future is very hard to say."
You have been warned.
If nothing else, they will target you with ads, probably pop-ups you cannot turn off (if you are very familiar with XP or even I have been told 7, you can get anywhere and see anything...but not on 8 or 8.1, even Pro..trust me) data sold to outsiders (third party) who will spam you with ads and most likely spam to boot....and you think that's a good thing?
ANYTIME the biggies say "we will never do this" you can bet your hindquarters they already are and are planning (with new OS you must buy because they said the old one is "no longer supported") to do a whole lot more.
Someday the populace will get their collective heads out into the sunshine and there will be screaming like you've never heard before.
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https://www.infoworld.com/article/2...ers-install-may-fail-with-error-80092004.html
Another reason to never trust MS or their updates. Back when I was doing updates, I'd allow notify but do not download, until I checked each KB to see what had failed.
You would think they'd get it right by now.
Another reason to never trust MS or their updates. Back when I was doing updates, I'd allow notify but do not download, until I checked each KB to see what had failed.
You would think they'd get it right by now.
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One thing I've haven't yet read - if/when someone installs the free Win10 Home edition this summer, do you first check to see which of your programs are supported?
Are your current browser's bookmarks imported into the new Win10 browser?
Can you still run your old DOS apps in a Command window?
Does your MS Office 2010 (for example) need to be upgraded?
Audacity, video editors, etc.?
Could someone point me to a page explaining this?
Thanks.
Tom
PS - note that "signing up for Windows 10" doesn't mean you'll wake up one morning and find it running. You still have to click an OK before the actual installation runs. You can always say NO.
Are your current browser's bookmarks imported into the new Win10 browser?
Can you still run your old DOS apps in a Command window?
Does your MS Office 2010 (for example) need to be upgraded?
Audacity, video editors, etc.?
Could someone point me to a page explaining this?
Thanks.
Tom
PS - note that "signing up for Windows 10" doesn't mean you'll wake up one morning and find it running. You still have to click an OK before the actual installation runs. You can always say NO.
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For now. Wait until you get to 10 and updates are mandatory, and "they" decide you need a program or OS updated...and you wake up some morning and half you legacy programs don't work.
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Tom, the short answer is that checking for compatibility is part of the upgrade process - fortunately about the first thing you do. I've checked some of my apps and they aren't covered by the compat checker so it isn't perfect.
See:
https://www.cnet.com/news/will-your-files-and-apps-survive-the-upgrade-to-windows-10/
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/compatibility/CompatCenter/Home (This is not updated to Win10 yet but it should be soon).
Based on my experiences with Win7, I think most apps will run fine but older ones (from the 90's, say) may take some minor tweaks. My major concern right now is that a lot of my software needs "activation" in the form of a code from the vendor and I expect any new Windows release could upset that if the Windows serial number changes. Some of the vendors are getting stingy with new unlock codes after so many years.
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"Tom, the short answer is that checking for compatibility is part of the upgrade process - fortunately about the first thing you do. I've checked some of my apps and they aren't covered by the compat checker so it isn't perfect."
Thanks John. I hadn't realized that when I ran it, the checker was examining both hardware and installed software.
I'll be installing Win10 on my seldom-used desktop, so we'll see what happens. If/when I learn its ups and downs, then I'll consider putting Win10 on my heavily used laptop. Both now run Win7 w/o problems.
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Thanks John. I hadn't realized that when I ran it, the checker was examining both hardware and installed software.
I'll be installing Win10 on my seldom-used desktop, so we'll see what happens. If/when I learn its ups and downs, then I'll consider putting Win10 on my heavily used laptop. Both now run Win7 w/o problems.
tempus narrabo
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