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And speaking about self-driving cars...

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Don't get caught = legal, getting caught = illegal :angel2:
 
lots of cities are now going to license plate reader with GPS stamps. And they change the city "code" to reflect...parked over two hours. Move it 20 feet, it's still parked on city streets.
I think this may be a Musk Fail for this specific purpose.
 
Well, the 'letter of the law' may be an out. If the thing is moved to another parking place, the two hour gov't imposed 'limit' is nullified.

If a block-long bunch of folks could get together and arrange to park along the same street for that one block, then every hour and forty minutes have their cars move one space forward, with the first in line reverse to the rear of the line, it'd be both 'legal' and hilarious dirt in the face of local revenue generating bureaucrats!

I recall needing to run to a meter at intervals and shove coins into it to avoid a parking fine. On a college student's part-time job wages. With no alternative.
 
Doc, that is a fantastic idea.
 
We have a self-flying plane too. The new 737. One crashed in Indonesia because a sensor told the plane it was stalling and put it into a fateful dive into the ocean at 400 mph. The pilot was unable to override apparently. 183 dead souls. Today's pilots are systems managers not stick and rudder guys/gals. Granted you can't hand-fly a 737 but if a pilot can't tell when his ship is about to stall- he doesn't belong in the cockpit.
 
Maybe they were having sex in the cockpit. :cool:
 
pdplot said:
We have a self-flying plane too. The new 737. One crashed in Indonesia because a sensor told the plane it was stalling and put it into a fateful dive into the ocean at 400 mph. The pilot was unable to override apparently. 183 dead souls. Today's pilots are systems managers not stick and rudder guys/gals. Granted you can't hand-fly a 737 but if a pilot can't tell when his ship is about to stall- he doesn't belong in the cockpit.
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According to what I'm reading in the news, even when that 737MAX is being flown manually that anti-stall system is still active by default and can override the controls. Apparently there is a way to turn it off, but it wasn't covered in the pilot training. NOW after the Lion Air incident they have provided information on how to disable that system if necessary. Supposedly the automatics reduce crashes by eliminating human error, but before that becomes a valid point they have to eliminate computer error. I still would rather trust a pilot with 5 digits worth of flight time under his/her hands over a computer.
 
I was listening to NPR yesterday and they were interviewing a senior representative for the Allied Pilots Association and he said that pilots were only informed of the new computer systems in the 737Max after this crash. He said that at no time had Boeing put information about the system in any bulletins, manuals, or training.
 
waltesefalcon said:
I was listening to NPR yesterday and they were interviewing a senior representative for the Allied Pilots Association and he said that pilots were only informed of the new computer systems in the 737Max after this crash. He said that at no time had Boeing put information about the system in any bulletins, manuals, or training.
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Heard that segment too. Sounded like Boeing arrogantly assumed that pilots wouldn't fully understand the problem. But in the end, the pilot they interviewed seemed to think that the "system" (safety first) did work (albeit late in this case).
 
Really, the airline too since they should have ensured their pilots were trained on how to understand and deal with changes in the flight systems. The provide training when going from say a regional jet up to a 777, don't see why this should have been any different.
 
mikephillips said:
Really, the airline too since they should have ensured their pilots were trained on how to understand and deal with changes in the flight systems. The provide training when going from say a regional jet up to a 777, don't see why this should have been any different.
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All the news sources I have read indicate that the pilots DID go through the training necessary to be certified on the 737MAX, but the training materials themselves did not cover this new system and how it operated. If the AOA sensor hadn't been malfunctioning they would never have even been aware that this new system was active and been thinking they had full manual control. The fault here seems to unfortunately be with Boeing, at least in the terms of the training materials they provided to the airlines. A switch to turn off this automatic system in the event of a problem was provided, but not clearly relayed to the pilots who probably assumed that manual flight mode meant the automatic systems were off.
 
Sort of like the runaway cars several years ago.....no way to stop them (and keep from killing driver and occupants).

Push the big START button and HOLD it until it stops. Not clear to even the Highway Patrol Officer that died.

NOW we know.
 
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