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Air Conditioning?

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Simply go get a VintageAir system. It will cool your woes.

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/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/devilgrin.gif Or tell your parents the car has one. Just don't take them for a ride on hot days.
 
Webb, as an official old coot, let me advise that if you have the passion to own a TR6, then nothing else will do, and go for it. I say congratulations on your choice and good luck.
As to a/c, there was never any such thing as 'factory' air. All units were installed by dealers, distributors or ports of entry. There were several companies in Fort Worth that developed kits. I worked for BL at a port of entry during the 70s, where we did the installation hoping to get a more uniform fit than was likely at a dealer. I now work in the auto a/c business, which is still centered in Fort Worth.

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I'm pretty sure there was a dealer installed A/C option for the TR6 and perhaps other Triumph models. The TR7 had a factory air option and most of the 7s came to this country with A/C. Most of the 7s I encounter now have had the A/C removed as has mine and will be on my second one. It would be warranted I suppose, here in the southwest but the cost of getting an older unit functioning discourages most and most of the 7s still extant are drop heads. Removing the A/C saves a bunch of weight and exposes the radiator to an unrestricted flow of air, as not only the condensor but two electric fans can be removed from around it. I too am baffled by those who would have a convertible to run with the top up and the A/C on. When I was a kid and we first moved to the southwest, my family was poor and proud so we drove in the heat of the summer with the windows rolled up so no one would think we couldn't afford A/C.
 
All you guys that say a convertable sports car doesn't need air conditioning have obviously never lived in an urban area in Texas. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

One of the big things that drew my interest in TR7's is that they have REALLY cold air conditioning. Even with the top down, its nice to be able to roll up the door windows and have the AC blasting away when your in trafic on a 95+ degree day, wich is most of the spring and summer.

I don't do automotive AC outside of my own cars, but I do HVAC work for a living, so I didn't find it to difficult piecing together a system for a '68 MGB once. I don't know what kind of space a TR6 would have under or behind the dash, but I can't imagin it would be any more dificult.

Vintage Air has a huge variety of products, and very helpfull staff. They would be your best sorce for advice and equipment for it. https://www.vintageair.com
 
Wow guy! Who'd a thought you'd get all the grief from people that are supposed to be LBC enthusiasts. You sound like a smart young man that has his head on straight and respects his parents. Good Luck and have fun and don't get old and bitter and jealous of youth.
 
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All you guys that say a convertable sports car doesn't need air conditioning have obviously never lived in an urban area in Texas. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif


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Yes, you haven't lived until you've pulled off of a Texas freeway after doing 75 in a TR, only to stop at the first stoplight, and have the 105 degree 99% humidity air cause both your car and your body to redline in temp.

I actually ran a funkana with the Houston MG club in my '59 TR3. I didn't know which would burn first -- the cylinders or my brain.

The Northwest All British Field Meet was in Bellevue this past weekend. I originally was going to take the TR3, then I decided on the TR7 when the weather forcast trended up...finally when I heard high 90s, I decided on the C5 Corvette.

With the top down on my Corvette, I couldn't even feel the AC on full-bore at highway speed. It was so dang hot! I got stuck in stop-and-go traffic on the way back. I was so glad I didn't have either of the Triumphs. It would have been miserable...heck it would have been dangerous to my health.
 
I just noticed the topic of this post and now I'm reply before I read through all the post. My TR6 came with A/C. I have the unit sitting down stairs with a bunch of other triumph parts. The a/c cars had read wood dashes without glove boxes. I already miss not having a glove box but I'm thinking of a way to use an arm rest and make it a little hidden compartment or something like that.
Eric
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Years ago I met a guy who worked for an auto A/C shop who also owned a GT6+ and was working on a unit for it - I think he said he found the condensing unit and in-car unit in a JC Whitney catalog ( The brand was "Cool King", maybe, my memory ain't what it used to be) and was adapting a GM compressor and stuff to work with his car - If you can't find an aftermarket unit that will work maybe somebody can custom build (RIG?)you one - Might be a tad expensive, but then it might be worth it to you to have A/C.

Another dodge might be to cruise the junkyards and find a wrecked small auto with A/C - Miata, maybe a Mercedes 2-seater ( Do any of these ever wind up in a junkyard?) and take a look at how they're set up - Working for a garage you must be fairly adept with tools and you have access to a shop and tools - maybe you could buy a used system cheap out of a wreck and adapt it to your needs.
Bear in mind some of the earlier answers which point out the need for heavier duty electrical components, and be prepared for a noticeable drop in power and mileage when the unit is in use.
 
Wow, I love this ignore feature! Thanks for adding it Basil! It sure keeps me from being drawn into a flame, since I can't see at all what jeep4x4 is writing.

Thanks for all the support everyone. I really appreciate it. I don't know if you all realize it, but this is the only forum out of 3 or 4 I visit regularely that RARELY every has a flame war. It's fantastic, and by far my favorite place to be on the net, with all the friendly and knowledgeable people. Thanks everyone for the help (except for jeep4x4).
 
About Dales reply - Ouch!! I think there's a bit of difference between being "Old and bitter" and being somebody who has already been there and done that - And most of us aren't knocking Webb - but sometime reality bites - The truth is lbc's aren't very dependable ( At least until you overcome all the abuse from TPO ) and they can be expensive in many ways, including insurance.

I make pretty good money at my job and so does Wifey - and I STILL can't afford the lbc's I have - I estimate I'll only have to print about 4 million more T-shirts to make enough to finish my projects!
 
The kind of crap that is gong on in this thread is the kind of stuff that made me recently consider shutting this forum dowm. I'm going to say this ONCE. If folks continue to make personal attacks, at best you are going to get banned. I don't jump in here with my moderator hat on very often, but I have had several email complaints about certain individuals and if the childish nonsense continues I will simply start banning. Not something I want to do and ceratily not something I do lightly. But I pu way way too much time and effort into this forum to let one or two people come in here and disrupt the flow. Enough is enough!

Basil
 
I once looked at a TR-6 in Florence SC that had air. It didn't work, but it had it. Course the car didn't run either, but that's beside the point.
 
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That's precisely the reason (well, one of them) that I bought a Miata and intend to get a hardtop. Sitting in 95° sunny weather with the top down and pretending it's cool doesn't work with me.

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AMEN! My wife and I took her Miata up to Moab Utah and it was a long, HOT drive. We had the top down in the AM and early evenings, but when the sun was baking down in the middle of the day the windows went up and the AC went ON. It was a much more enjoyable trip with AC (it do get hot in New Mexico).

Basil
 
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The MGB has no air, but once you are on the move it becomes a non-issue.

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I suspect you would feel differently if you lived in my neck of the woods. I once drove my Spitfire through Texas and almost suffered heat stroke. I had to put the top up and keep the rear window unzipped for air flow (but it felt like a blast furnace). I also kept stopping to get cups of ice so I could put the ice in my hat and let it melt and drip down my face. It was that or die.

Basil
 
Basil is right (on both his statements.)

1) People, we do this for fun because we like LBCs...even if we disagree, let's be nice and civil about it.

2) Even in a modern car, 100+ degree temps are dangerous to the driver w/o good AC. In my Corvette last weekend, I was going 65 and sweating my butt off with the AC on high. When I stopped I could feel it, but at speed, the hot wind just blew it away.
 
I'd like to say something about whether or not a certain young man should or should not by a TR6. The prevailing advice seems to be that it would be a bad idea. Maybe, but frankly I find it refreshing that a young person is interested in getting into what I consider a great hobby. I'd like to tell you a story.

Once upon a time, a young man (17 years old) owned a fair-condition 1963 Pontiac which he drove to school. One day, the young man was driving down the street and spotted the most beautiful car he had ever seen! It was a 1967 Jaguar XKE and it had a FORE SALE sign in the rear window.

The young man was in love (with the Jag) and just had to have it! But how? The price tag was $3000 (not much these days, but it was a fortune for a young highschool student). What to do? Well, the first thing was for the young man to somehow convince his crusty old Army Sargeant dad to co-sign for a loan. The second thing he had to do was to find another, second, part time job so he could afford the insurance!

After getting a second job and convining his dad to co-sign for a loan (with the understanding that if the young man missaed a payment, the Jag would be gone in a New York minute) the young man became the proud owner of a 1967 Jaguar XKE. This cemented in the young man a life-long love affair with British cars! That first Jag was purchased by the young man 33 years ago. The young man grew up and, because of his life-long love affair with British cars that began when he was in high school, he started a really cool (free) British car discussion forum. Had some well-meaning older and wiser person convinced that young man not to buy that beautful Jag due to the expense of maintaining such a car, that forum would not exist today. Just something to think about.

Basil
 
1) People, we do this for fun because we like LBCs...even if we disagree, let's be nice and civil about it.

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Thank you Sammy
 
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Does anyone have a TR6 for their main transportation? I doubt it.

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My daily driver for work (70 miles round trip) is a TR Spitfire. When I was in High School my main transportation was a 67 Jaguar XKE. Do those count?

Basil
 
Yes, there are people who drive TR6s as daily drivers. I even covered a local guy in my syndicated column...originally printed in 2002 -
https://www.apexstrategy.com/sc/76tr6.html

Triumph TR6 proves itself a reliable daily driver
Sound Classics -- by Sam Barer
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Here at Sound Classics, we have a great respect for all those who drive their classic cars, rather than let them sit like museum pieces. For those like Bill Jacobs, who drive their classics as a daily driver, we downright revere their car-craziness. No matter what the weather, Jacobs drives his gorgeous, red 1976 Triumph TR6, one of the last TR6s off the production line, to his job as an Investment Representative for Edward Jones in Tumwater, WA each day.

Back in 1998 Jacobs, who had previously owned a 1961 Triumph TR-3B, decided he wanted to again own a car from the defunct Coventry, England marque. Looking through the classifieds in the next morning’s The Olympian, he found a listing for this car. Despite peeling original brown paint, destroyed interior and soft-top, and rust around fenders and sills, he bought the car.

It took Jacobs and his son, Scott, three months to get the car to what he describes as “respectable.” They installed a new tan interior and top, then outsourced the paint and body work to Little Rock Autobody, where the car was repainted to simulate Triumph’s traditional Signal Red. The engine was later rebuilt as well.

During the restoration, Jacobs made a deal with his son: if Scott could get As and Bs he’d get to drive the car on Fridays to high school, or for straight As, it was both Fridays and Mondays. Scott pulled a four-point the remainder of high school. Jacobs figures the amount he spent to purchase and restore the TR6 has been eclipsed by the savings from Scott’s college academic scholarships.

With Scott in college, the little red Triumph is again in Jacobs’ hands as a full-time commuter. This is impressive, not only because his car is now over 25 years old, but also because the TR6 was considered out-of-date when the model debuted in 1969. Due to Triumph’s financial problems, the TR6 was more evolution than revolution. The body-on-frame layout was strikingly similar to the design of the 1954 TR-2, Triumph’s first small, robust roadster. The independent-rear-suspension and inline six -cylinder 104hp engine were carryovers from the 1965 TR-4A and 1968 TR-250 respectively. Coachbuilder Karmann was hired to perform a quick, inexpensive freshening of the Michelotti-penned bodywork used throughout TR-4 and TR-250 production. So similar was the new model to its predecessor that even Triumph’s 1969 TR6 factory-sponsored racecar was, in fact, just their previous season’s TR-250 with the updated body panels affixed.

The TR6 is a lesson in British roadster minimalism. The vinyl-trimmed cockpit is narrow, but offers nicely supportive bucket seats. Ample head and legroom exists for anyone too short to be a center in the NBA. The wood dash is dominated by easy to read Smith gauges including speedometer, tach, oil pressure, fuel, temperature and amps. The top, or hood, as the British say, isn’t nearly watertight, but it’s the Lucas electrical system, legendary for failure with moisture that suggests you’d best be driving in the sunlight. While many British car owners have been stranded without lights, windshield wipers or even ignition, (they didn’t call Lucas “The Prince of Darkness” for nothing!) Jacobs’ car has been remarkably reliable.

Pulling the manual choke and turning the key brings the engine to life. Slot the 4-speed shifter up and to the left for first and let out the clutch. Unlike the TR-250, which requires Herculean-effort, the clutch action is easy and smooth, making the TR6 one of the easiest cars on which to learn to drive a manual transmission.

The loud growl from the exhaust is addictive and perfectly capable of setting off car alarms. The low-end torque and 5200RPM shift-point are courtesy of the engine’s tractor roots. At ten seconds to 60MPH, it’s no muscle car, but small dimensions makes it feel like one from the driver’s seat.

Handling in the TR6 is abysmal by modern standards. Steering is nicely weighted, but cranking the wheel at speed produces more body-flex than a yoga instructor. The painfully dated rear lever-arm shocks just can’t keep up with bumps, as well. The car predictably goes from front-end push to extreme oversteer with throttle input.

Compared to its contemporaries, this car is darn fun. It doesn’t feel diluted like others of its era. Today, as in 1976, the TR6 is for a different type of person, like Bill Jacobs, who enjoys a beautiful car that forgoes technology and luxury for constant driving entertainment.
 
Alright, I have to admit to thinking "AC would be so nice right now" a couple times when it was in the high 90's and I was at red lights with sun right on me. In my area though I can deal with the heat in the summer months. On trick I use is to put a sweatshirt over the seat so you don't stick to the vinyl.

You are in a far better position than I was to own a Triumph and your prospective car is in great shape compared to my car that is well worn. I've had my spitfire for almost 2 years and have had no regrets even though I have had to put more money into it than I had expected. Some people also don't realize that young people usually have very low living costs. Your parents have food in the fridge and you have no rent to pay.

I hate seeing people arguing like children on this forum. This is by far the most well run forum with the best people. Sometimes you have to let people make their own mistakes and not pound in your guidance 6 times in one day.
 
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