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Access Under the Carpet
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On original cars, the carpets & pad were not glued down. Just held by snaps & fairly easy to lift or remove. The "real" solution would be to go back to the original anchoring. Makes it much easier to remove & dry the stuff if the interior gets an accidental soaking. Prevents rusted floors.
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On original cars, the carpets & pad were not glued down. Just held by snaps & fairly easy to lift or remove. The "real" solution would be to go back to the original anchoring. Makes it much easier to remove & dry the stuff if the interior gets an accidental soaking. Prevents rusted floors.
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how sensible!
I shall investigate to see how much of the carpet is or is not glued in place...hopefully it hasn't been glued to the trans tunnel, I'd hate to have to udo it, but I don't think I have any choice if I want to add oil to the transmission...just in case things should get ugly, are replacement carpets available with snaps in place or does one have to install the snaps. thanks Dave
how sensible!
I shall investigate to see how much of the carpet is or is not glued in place...hopefully it hasn't been glued to the trans tunnel, I'd hate to have to udo it, but I don't think I have any choice if I want to add oil to the transmission...just in case things should get ugly, are replacement carpets available with snaps in place or does one have to install the snaps. thanks Dave
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The special snaps have a nearly invisible "ring" on the top of the carpet. They are called a "Veltex Carpet Ring" you can see them here, item #127. 228-128:
https://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=28963&SortOrder=122
There are usually two at the front lower sides of the transmission tunnel, two at the rear of the tunnel. Also two near the rear of each horizontal flat carpet section under your feet. If you have original sheetmetal, the original holes to mount the male part of the snaps via sheetmetal screws are likely still there. The rings have to be mounted to fit the individual male snap locations.
The underlying pads have small clearance holes in them to allow the carpet snaps to extend through the pads to the male snaps. This holds the pads in alignment.
D
The special snaps have a nearly invisible "ring" on the top of the carpet. They are called a "Veltex Carpet Ring" you can see them here, item #127. 228-128:
https://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=28963&SortOrder=122
There are usually two at the front lower sides of the transmission tunnel, two at the rear of the tunnel. Also two near the rear of each horizontal flat carpet section under your feet. If you have original sheetmetal, the original holes to mount the male part of the snaps via sheetmetal screws are likely still there. The rings have to be mounted to fit the individual male snap locations.
The underlying pads have small clearance holes in them to allow the carpet snaps to extend through the pads to the male snaps. This holds the pads in alignment.
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Keoke
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Hi Nevets, Current aftermarket carpets have a flap over the Tranny oil fill grommet that gives you access.It is possible to cut such a flap in the existing tunnel carpet keeping one side as a hinge to gain access to the tranny oil fill dipstick.---Fwiw---Keoke
Hi Nevets, Current aftermarket carpets have a flap over the Tranny oil fill grommet that gives you access.It is possible to cut such a flap in the existing tunnel carpet keeping one side as a hinge to gain access to the tranny oil fill dipstick.---Fwiw---Keoke
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Dave, Something that I have thought about while putting my car together is in order to take the seat tracks out to install the carpet I will have to remove the exhaust system.
I geuess it wouldn't be too difficult since the exhaust is all new but I hate to have to back track. Were the tracks mounted on top the carpet or was the carpet cut around the tracks? I am considering tac welding or glueing the washers and nuts that will hold the seat belts in place to the under side of the car hoping I can simpley screw them back in after the carpet is installed. I do like the origininal snap idea for easy carpet removal if needeed. I also lined the inside floor and footwells with Dynamat extreme for sound deadening and hopefully heat reduction.Bob any ideas appreciated.( exspecially good ones)
Dave, Something that I have thought about while putting my car together is in order to take the seat tracks out to install the carpet I will have to remove the exhaust system.
I geuess it wouldn't be too difficult since the exhaust is all new but I hate to have to back track. Were the tracks mounted on top the carpet or was the carpet cut around the tracks? I am considering tac welding or glueing the washers and nuts that will hold the seat belts in place to the under side of the car hoping I can simpley screw them back in after the carpet is installed. I do like the origininal snap idea for easy carpet removal if needeed. I also lined the inside floor and footwells with Dynamat extreme for sound deadening and hopefully heat reduction.Bob any ideas appreciated.( exspecially good ones)
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Hi BR,
On your model, I believe the carpet under the seats was slotted to fit around the seat runner tracks. If you add any appreciable thickness with Dynamat or such, the thin metal plates, wood seat track spacers, & tracks, should go on top of the Dynamat. Treat the Dynamat as if it were the original floor.
This being said, since Dynamat is thin, you could likely just cut the dynamat out around the seat slides. As noted, the carpet & padding were originally slotted to fit around the seat slide wood spacers. Attached is a pic of my BN2 interior. Two layers of Dynamat tightly fitted & painted original floor color. All carpet snaps on top of the Dynamat.
Here is a quote from Rich Chrysler on the original floor fitting:
" From the floor up, here goes.....
-painted floor
-heavy felt paper (black tarpaper)covering flat floor areas
-thin layer of burlap looking jute underlay covering flat floor areas
-black painted steel strips about 1 1/2" wide x 17" long with the 3
clearance holes for sleeved seat track nuts
-wood spacer strip for seat tracks
-seat tracks with sleeved nuts passing from underside through floor, steel
packing plate and wood packing strip, etc. onto seat track studs.
-carpet piece that goes under seat is slotted to clear seat track assemblies
and installs from the rear, sliding forward under seat. This carpet piece
goes only to approx. front edge of seat tracks.
-carpet is held in place on floor by 4 ring type female carpet snaps passing
through carpet and snapping onto male studs screwed through jute, etc. into
steel floor. NO GLUE on floor or tunnel carpets. They need to be able to
snap out to dry when you get them wet.
Hope this helps.
Rich"
Hi BR,
On your model, I believe the carpet under the seats was slotted to fit around the seat runner tracks. If you add any appreciable thickness with Dynamat or such, the thin metal plates, wood seat track spacers, & tracks, should go on top of the Dynamat. Treat the Dynamat as if it were the original floor.
This being said, since Dynamat is thin, you could likely just cut the dynamat out around the seat slides. As noted, the carpet & padding were originally slotted to fit around the seat slide wood spacers. Attached is a pic of my BN2 interior. Two layers of Dynamat tightly fitted & painted original floor color. All carpet snaps on top of the Dynamat.
Here is a quote from Rich Chrysler on the original floor fitting:
" From the floor up, here goes.....
-painted floor
-heavy felt paper (black tarpaper)covering flat floor areas
-thin layer of burlap looking jute underlay covering flat floor areas
-black painted steel strips about 1 1/2" wide x 17" long with the 3
clearance holes for sleeved seat track nuts
-wood spacer strip for seat tracks
-seat tracks with sleeved nuts passing from underside through floor, steel
packing plate and wood packing strip, etc. onto seat track studs.
-carpet piece that goes under seat is slotted to clear seat track assemblies
and installs from the rear, sliding forward under seat. This carpet piece
goes only to approx. front edge of seat tracks.
-carpet is held in place on floor by 4 ring type female carpet snaps passing
through carpet and snapping onto male studs screwed through jute, etc. into
steel floor. NO GLUE on floor or tunnel carpets. They need to be able to
snap out to dry when you get them wet.
Hope this helps.
Rich"
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BlueRidge1
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Thanks Dave for the info, A friend of mine told me he only liked cars in two colors ,Red and Redder, and that bn2 looks redder. Glad I don't have to drop the muffler to access the seat runner bolts, unless I want to slot that dynamat, Don't think it would be worth the gain in seat height only about 1/4 or less when the bolts are tightened.
I pulled the seat runners appart and bead blasted them add installed new ball bearings then lubed with silver anti seize. Works real good now. Thanks Bob (Do you recomend two layers of the Dynamat extreme, I still have about 40 sq ft on hand after doing the floors and foot wells.
Thanks Dave for the info, A friend of mine told me he only liked cars in two colors ,Red and Redder, and that bn2 looks redder. Glad I don't have to drop the muffler to access the seat runner bolts, unless I want to slot that dynamat, Don't think it would be worth the gain in seat height only about 1/4 or less when the bolts are tightened.
I pulled the seat runners appart and bead blasted them add installed new ball bearings then lubed with silver anti seize. Works real good now. Thanks Bob (Do you recomend two layers of the Dynamat extreme, I still have about 40 sq ft on hand after doing the floors and foot wells.
anthony7777
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keoke,yup that would be preferable,just tying to show what some people have done.its kettin near xmass,wanna buy me a new set?come on.! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazyeyes.gif
keoke,yup that would be preferable,just tying to show what some people have done.its kettin near xmass,wanna buy me a new set?come on.! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazyeyes.gif
Keoke
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Well Anthony, ifin you don't like them flaps you are going to have to specify an original carpet set. Then you can lift the carpet off the tunnel each time you wanna check/top up the oil.---Keoke-- /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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Well Anthony, ifin you don't like them flaps you are going to have to specify an original carpet set. Then you can lift the carpet off the tunnel each time you wanna check/top up the oil.---Keoke-- /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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Keoke
A flap cut (done in situ as it were) into the existing carpet would be a bit tricky. I guess I could make a template (from carboard or thin styrene) and use a sharp X-acto blade for the surgery. Probably best to configure it with the hinge on the end nearest the back of the car, and maybe some velcro glued to the underside (and trans tunnel) to hold it in place....just so it doesn't flap around when driving over 90 with the top down on a windy day. Thanks for the suggestion...I will consider the option.
Keoke
A flap cut (done in situ as it were) into the existing carpet would be a bit tricky. I guess I could make a template (from carboard or thin styrene) and use a sharp X-acto blade for the surgery. Probably best to configure it with the hinge on the end nearest the back of the car, and maybe some velcro glued to the underside (and trans tunnel) to hold it in place....just so it doesn't flap around when driving over 90 with the top down on a windy day. Thanks for the suggestion...I will consider the option.
BlueRidge1
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Here's an idea I am kicking around and may or may not try...
I'm thinking since I don't smoke and have no use for the ashtray, could I fab a dipstick tube and dipstick that would enter the bottem of the ashtray compartment and be able to service the oil by opening the ashtray lid ???
(Now if I can keep folks from putting ashes in my oil???)Bob
Here's an idea I am kicking around and may or may not try...
I'm thinking since I don't smoke and have no use for the ashtray, could I fab a dipstick tube and dipstick that would enter the bottem of the ashtray compartment and be able to service the oil by opening the ashtray lid ???
(Now if I can keep folks from putting ashes in my oil???)Bob
Rob Glasgow
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When I redid the carpets in my BT7, I glued 2" by 3/4" pieces of velco on the floor carpet pieces and the transmission carpet. I used four pieces on the corners of the front and rear floor carpets and six pieces to the transmission carpet. I did not install the ashtray. I can now remove all the carpets easily or simple peel the right side of the transmission cover back to gain access to the transmission filler or the left side for the U joint grease fitting. The carpets stay in place without any additional fasteners. The velco come in rolls from the local hardwar store and I used contact cement. This has worked well for the past 20 years.
When I redid the carpets in my BT7, I glued 2" by 3/4" pieces of velco on the floor carpet pieces and the transmission carpet. I used four pieces on the corners of the front and rear floor carpets and six pieces to the transmission carpet. I did not install the ashtray. I can now remove all the carpets easily or simple peel the right side of the transmission cover back to gain access to the transmission filler or the left side for the U joint grease fitting. The carpets stay in place without any additional fasteners. The velco come in rolls from the local hardwar store and I used contact cement. This has worked well for the past 20 years.
BlueRidge1
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Keoke, Just as well, It's cold in the garage and warm at the computer.... I just can't seem to get motivated.
Maybe I can get around to putting that drive shaft on this weekend and going for a test ride ,weather permiting! Bob
Keoke, Just as well, It's cold in the garage and warm at the computer.... I just can't seem to get motivated.
Maybe I can get around to putting that drive shaft on this weekend and going for a test ride ,weather permiting! Bob
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Jedi Knight
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Keoke - I figured with the hinge facing into the cockpit, the flap would be less apparent? Although, it would make access to the dipstick/filler port somewhat inconvenient. Also, upholstery shears seem awkward and less maneuverable than a sharp No. 10 X-acto blade?
Keoke - I figured with the hinge facing into the cockpit, the flap would be less apparent? Although, it would make access to the dipstick/filler port somewhat inconvenient. Also, upholstery shears seem awkward and less maneuverable than a sharp No. 10 X-acto blade?
Keoke
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Nevets, X-acto # 10 blade wish he was as sharp as upholstery shears /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif. Well you could put hinge on the side facing the foot well panel side also I guess.When smoothed over with my hand it does not show---Keoke
Nevets, X-acto # 10 blade wish he was as sharp as upholstery shears /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif. Well you could put hinge on the side facing the foot well panel side also I guess.When smoothed over with my hand it does not show---Keoke