A Post Rubber Seals

[jjbunn]

Does anyone have a close up photo of the rubber seals at the edge of the windscreen frame, the ones that the door window glass bears against? I have a horrible feeling I have stuck my new ones down in the wrong orientation!

 

[Brosky]

I hope that these will help you.

 

[jjbunn]

Many thanks, Paul. I still can't quite see whether I have them correct or not. What's not clear to me on your photos is which of the seals is the fuzzy door trim and which is the A post rubber.

When I get home I'll take a photo of what I have done, and post it.

 

[jjbunn]

Here's a close up of the seal. Is it the right way around?

 

[startech47]

Looks like it is turned around backwards to me, by the photos.

 

[jjbunn]

Looks like it is turned around backwards to me, by the photos.

The thing is, I'm fairly sure this was how the old ones were attached, that I removed. But maybe that was a Pedro's brother special?!

Should the fat part with the hole be on the inside then?

Here's the original set up, with the fat part/hole on the outside edge:

 

[Brosky]

If what I see in your first picture is the top of the frame at the top of the picture, then you have them reversed. The glass needs a raised sealing surface to fit against on the inside surface, while the front edge of the glass butts against the thinner section, cushioning it from the metal frame.

 

[Brosky]

Just curious, but are you gluing these on before or after the paint work and glass installation?

These should be the very last items installed, after the frame is painted and mounted on the car and when you are ready to align the door glass to fit properly.

 

[jjbunn]

If what I see in your first picture is the top of the frame at the top of the picture, then you have them reversed. The glass needs a raised sealing surface to fit against on the inside surface, while the front edge of the glass butts against the thinner section, cushioning it from the metal frame.

Makes sense. So the PO had them on the wrong way around. Both my photos show the same view:

My sequence is as follows:
1) Paint frame (done)
2) Attach A post seals (wrong way?)
3) Fold top ends of seals over and,
4) Rivet aluminium capping piece in place, with sealant, so clamping top ends of seals
5) Place body-to-frame rubber seal on frame
6) Place new dash topper on dash
7) Place frame on dash, and secure
8) Install new glass etc.

I prefer to install the new glass with the frame on the car.

Step 4 is how the originals were attached. The originals were also folded under the frame at the bottom edge. But I notice on your car, they are not. I am under the impression that the fuzzy door seals are installed right at the end, according to what I read in Roger Williams' book.

 

[2wrench]

Here's a close up of the seal. Is it the right way around?

So far that looks right, but tell me what you think
after a review of the photos to follow. It looks short,
because after the windscreen is installed, (which I
recommend before you place these seals anyway), this
seal will run with the flattened side down onto the
inside of the door and be glued in place next to the
light switch. That is how it was on my car anyway.

Then there are two more pieces to finish: One, another
similar rubber seal that will wrap down the inside of the
door, accross the bottom of the door and back up the back
side to finish around where the soft top is where there is
a shiny silver finish piece it juts under to hold it into
place there. It is glued as well, of course.

And two: A stiff u-shaped plastic finish strip that will run along the inside edge of the windscreen; it covers the metal unfinished edge of the windscreen about where you would place your hand while driving with your elbow on the door and holding the windscreen edge.

I hope to show you all three pieces in the photos.

Now view the pics as follows:

 

[2wrench]

I think you are okay so far, but you need the other
pieces and you need the windscreen in place, I think.

 

[Brosky]

I agree with 2wrench. Have them ready, but get the frame in first, then install everything else to fit the frame to the body. You will need the overlap as show in 2's picture.

I was having trouble distinguishing the top and bottom of your frame in the pictures.

 

[2wrench]

Julian: The first pic shows all three pieces.
The second pic shows, with my middle finger on it, the
rubber you have in place; and with my index finger,
I touch the second rubber (which has holes in it on my
car). Lastly, notice the hard rubber finish strip
that clips onto the edge of the windscreen.

Hope I'm helping.

 

[jjbunn]

Julian: The first pic shows all three pieces.
The second pic shows, with my middle finger on it, the
rubber you have in place; and with my index finger,
I touch the second rubber (which has holes in it on my
car). Lastly, notice the hard rubber finish strip
that clips onto the edge of the windscreen.

Hope I'm helping.

Very much so: yes (and Paul).

So I did have it the wrong way, and have now reversed it.

Here is the top right hand side of the windscreen:

The rubber you are touching with your index finger is what I would call the fuzzy door trim. The stuff I have from Moss (at vast expense) and have yet to install has a section that clips to the edge of the windscreen, and a section which is a rubber seal. The part that clips is covered in a fuzzy black material. I think Paul has the same stuff, but in brown fuzzy material.

Next question: at the top of the windscreen your seal appears to be simply cut to length, and not folded under the aluminium topper. On my car the original seal was longer, and the excess folded under the topper and secured by the end rivet. Is that a good or bad idea?

 

[Brosky]

Julian,

You can get the section that you have on now, folded under the molding a bit, but the "fuzzy" strip won't go under the cap.

That's why you should assemble the car sheet metal first, then fit the weatherstrips and trim to the car, moldings will come last.

 

[jjbunn]

OK Paul ... understood. And thanks.

 

[TR674]

Julian
I am replacing my 'outer' seals also. I was horrified at the cost of original, so after a bit of hunting around I found a similar shaped seal for $5/meter.

Regards
Craig

 

[2wrench]

Not really sure about folding under. Mine was not,
but I suspect it had been replaced. Didn't leak
before my work and doesn't leak now.

Just using my best guess and following logic, doesn't
seem a good idea to have anything extra underneath
there cause it might tend to create greater gap, therefore,
greater chance to leak; but I really don't know.

When I put my top strip on, I was a little aggressive
about the rubber sealant I placed. No leaks. Gooey
stuff. Guys here told me what to use. I can't remember
now what it is. Maybe somebody will follow up with
that info, if you need it.

 

[2wrench]

Opps. Julian, I think I mean to be saying you had it
right the whole time.

I hope I am not mistaken, here. Let's go back.

Look closely at my second pic. My middle finger points
to the rubber you have installed. In my pic, we look at
the upper left corner of the windscreen. The way the
first rubber goes on is: Flat side pointing towards
the interior; fat (rolled-looking) part to the outside
edge of the windscreen. Glue it with the fat part running even with the outer edge of the windscreen.

What happens next is the second rubber will go on starting
at the top of the windscreen. This piece I touch with
my index finger in Pic 2. What you will find is that this
second rubber, the roll is larger; it has holes in it; and
the way it installs, has a lip that goes over this unfinished edge of the windscreen and the fat part of the
second rubber now lays/covers (somewhat) the flattened
part of the first rubber you put down. The result is
kind of a look of two rolled edges running down the
side right next to one another. Lastly, the hard plastic
finishing strip is cut to size and pushed onto the unfinished edge of the windscreen. I slightly pulled
these pieces away from the car so you can see what is
going on.

If you need more pictures of something, let me know.
Another option might be a good exploded view from a
repair or parts manual.

 

[jjbunn]

Craig: looks good. And which way around did you install the strips?! /bcforum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif

2wrench: I'm unsure again now whether I have them the right way around. Aaaaaargh! Do you think that I had them correctly installed originally i.e. in the side-by-side photos I posted above?