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[mikephillips]

Saw a story on the evening news, seems a film named "Dreams of Violence" is to premiere at a film festival next week. It's not animation but looks like actual humans and sites. The thing about it is, it's said to be 100% AI generated. And to have been completed in 2 months and for $2000 total. As AI learns, and those feeding it requests learn how to specify what they want, this I think shows that if it isn't a live performance actors may find trouble getting work as time goes on. Afterall, TV and movie making is a for profit business too and anything that cuts costs and development time allows them to make more. It was also mentioned that Netflix is creating a department to generate movies and series using AI.

Make sure you have other skills actors, just in case.

 

[GregW]

There may be a rejection of AI movies. Similar to what is happening with music now. That video I posted of Angine de Poitrine in "pop music now" exploded on the internet for that same rejection. There are subtleties that I don't think can be generated artificially. Heath's performance in The Dark Knight is a perfect example

 

[mikephillips]

Well, may be right in the long run. But if instead of spending millions to make something that fails, think how many could be churned out for streaming a just a couple thousand each. And as folks watching on phone and tablets get used to it, and how many know who the current people are onscreen are anyway, I suspect that as long as they make interesting stories their demographic wants to see, it'll expand and take over. Maybe we'll all be gone by then, but it is a money making business, not a preserve art forms sort of thing.

 

[Rocky_LC]

It’s possibly the next extension of Roger Corman-type low budget flicks…

I just watched Esrth vs. the Spider. While they used human actors, the background s and Spider effects were very cheaply done…

 

[mikephillips]

Like everything else, whomever supplies the outline of what they want the movie/series to say has to have an interesting idea and know what it may take to have something people want to watch. I sometime enjoy B grade stuff, but generally want a good story that is well told. But, if they can make a film for a couple grand instead of millions, well we will see a lot more stuff, especially from independents that may or may not be good stories. But regardless, I think over time it'll push the folks in front and behind the camera out the door since most business is run by the bean counters and as long as they eliminate costs the overall income could be smaller but if the profit goes up, then they win.

 

[JPSmit]

I suspect there will be two tiers of movies.

1. Generated by AI. I suspect these will be 'canned' plots and special effects. For example the latest Smurf movie cost 58 Million to make and made 124 million - That kind of metric (and audience) is perfect for AI. I have a dear friend who wrote Hallmark movies - another AI apportunity. (She also stopped getting contracts when they ceased wanting union writers)

2. Real plots and real actors. I may have mentioned before that Queen albums used to have 'no synthesizers' prominantly displayed on their albums when everyone thought synthesizers would take over everything. Now you barely hear of them. People wanted to hear real insturments played by real people. (Funny story I once went to hear a band at the El Mocambo (not the Stones ) who played all on synthesizers. The reviews all said - ' they sounded so much like real instruments - why didn't they just play real instruments.

I suspect that AI will end up along side CGI as a background/ special effects medium - likely including extras but, I think people will continue to want the real thing. (At least I hope so)

 

[JPSmit]

And now for something completely different. Mrs JP has an embroidery sewing machine. It works well but it is old. Old enough that it uses 3 1/2 floppy disks. It also has VERY Obsolete software. So we have an ancient IBM Thinkpad that runs Windows 2000. It also has the swappable drives and weighs about 10 lbs. We had to dust it off yesterday. Oh my heavens, you forget how slow everything was back then. We don't have a mouse so, it was the orange button in the middle of the keyboard. My goodness.

 

[mikephillips]

I suspect there will be two tiers of movies.

1. Generated by AI. I suspect these will be 'canned' plots and special effects. For example the latest Smurf movie cost 58 Million to make and made 124 million - That kind of metric (and audience) is perfect for AI. I have a dear friend who wrote Hallmark movies - another AI apportunity. (She also stopped getting contracts when they ceased wanting union writers)

2. Real plots and real actors. I may have mentioned before that Queen albums used to have 'no synthesizers' prominantly displayed on their albums when everyone thought synthesizers would take over everything. Now you barely hear of them. People wanted to hear real insturments played by real people. (Funny story I once went to hear a band at the El Mocambo (not the Stones ) who played all on synthesizers. The reviews all said - ' they sounded so much like real instruments - why didn't they just play real instruments.

I suspect that AI will end up along side CGI as a background/ special effects medium - likely including extras but, I think people will continue to want the real thing. (At least I hope so)

Maybe, it'll depend a lot on what the youth of today decide is ok since they've grown up with phone apps and so much that isn't really reality they interact with. Personally I like real views, people and such but like black and white tv and movie theaters, non AI for recorded stuff may be a dying art form. Stage work and concerts may be all that is left for real performers, and who knows if as they age young folk will want to go to a specific location, sit for a couple hours and watch rather than dial it up on the phone or tablet and not get the real experience.

 

[JPSmit]

Maybe, it'll depend a lot on what the youth of today decide is ok since they've grown up with phone apps and so much that isn't really reality they interact with. Personally I like real views, people and such but like black and white tv and movie theaters, non AI for recorded stuff may be a dying art form. Stage work and concerts may be all that is left for real performers, and who knows if as they age young folk will want to go to a specific location, sit for a couple hours and watch rather than dial it up on the phone or tablet and not get the real experience.

Good point - especially this being youth driven as consumers. Watching my own kids and those who are also my kids, they are WAAAY more interested in experiences than almost anything else. This in part because they have been priced out of many housing markets, are unemployed or underemployed etc etc. If you look at the post covid experience, the only entertainment that was recession/covid proof was concerts. I recall back in 2007 RIM held a concert for its employees featuring Van Halen and the Tragically Hip. We were given tickets. I invoted my son and he initially refused because his (then favourite) Nova Scotia band was playing the same night. He later came but only because his band's venue was sold out (all 250 seats). YOLO is alive and well in that generation.

 

[Hill Billy]

This is a complete AI production. Quite impressive.

 

[equiprx]

This is a complete AI production. Quite impressive.

What's the story?
Yeah I know something about the potato famine and people emigrating away.
What's the story?
The bloke chopping wood doesn't know how to chop wood.
What's the story?
Was the rain supposed to be coming indoors, but the table was dry?
What's the story?
I liked the music but could not understand a single word, and subtitles did not work at first.
What's the story?
No matter how good he graphics are, I want a story!!!
What's the story?
Her tears appear like plastic on her face, were they frozen?
What's the story?
These are just the blatant things I can remember but there were many more.
What's the story?
The disclaimer in the beginning doesn't explain anything.
What's the story?

 

[Rocky_LC]

At least there’s always Dr. Aki Ross…

 

[YakkoWarner]

This is a complete AI production. Quite impressive.

Its visually pretty, but not really a good musical arrangement of the song. These ladies do a much nicer job of it without anything artificial:

The song was actually written in 1979, but it is about the potato famine. The basic story of the song is a struggling father stealing corn from the government and arrested, then seperated from his family and shipped off to Australia as punishment. This video gives some history about the circumstances surrounding the events described in the song.

And one of my favorite local/regional Celtic rock bands does an amped-up version combining Fields Of Athenry with Folsom Prison Blues:

 

[equiprx]

Its visually pretty, but not really a good musical arrangement of the song. These ladies do a much nicer job of it without anything artificial:

The song was actually written in 1979, but it is about the potato famine. The basic story of the song is a struggling father stealing corn from the government and arrested, then seperated from his family and shipped off to Australia as punishment. This video gives some history about the circumstances surrounding the events described in the song.

And one of my favorite local/regional Celtic rock bands does an amped-up version combining Fields Of Athenry with Folsom Prison Blues:

As an American, I have never understood our fascination with British Royals.
They have a lot of blood on their hands from all around the world.
Not that they are alone in the practice of might makes right, but we should know better.
Our freedom was paid for with the blood of our ancestors 250 years ago.
So how will we celebrate our anniversary? With a $250 bill?
A billion dollar ballroom? A golden arch? A trashed constitution?
Sorry Basil, just delete this if I crossed the line again.

 

[waltesefalcon]

This is a complete AI production. Quite impressive.

Well, that was certainly something. Thanks for the laugh.

 

[JPSmit]

Well, we are moving in a slightly different direction. The genre of The song is called a 'Home Song' - IE I wish I was home. Every culture has them (Sweet Home Alabama/ Country Roads take me home) but celtic music has a LOT of them. My brother says that most celtic folk songs follow the same formula.

Boy meets girl
Boy and girl fall in love
Boy immediately boards a ship for aother country on the other side of the world.

This is a slightly different version in that it is the girl who is gone - but, it is another Prison ship to Australia song.

The lead singer is my brother and the penny whistle player my sister in law.

 

[NutmegCT]

These are all well and good to criticize and praise, but c'mon folks, imagine if the money spent for these bloatware "entertainment orgies" were spent instead for providing medical care, better education, infrastructure improvements, etc - instead of "fun".

Similar to Ike's 1953 "Cross of Iron" speech.

TM

 

[mikephillips]

Well, we can blame many young parents who start their kids as toddlers down the "fun" path by handing them phones and tablets to "entertain" themselves. I shake my head when I see folks at a store with a kid too young to walk around sitting in a cart swiping a screen. So more and more it's all many know about the way the world works.

 

[GregW]

Here's something with newer technology. Seadance V2.

 

[waltesefalcon]

Here's something with newer technology. Seadance V2.

Okay, this one is pretty impressive.

That AI generated video for the song was just trash.