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There are some things I have no issue with AI, but I like to drive myself using the old "manual" methods.
With the systems that are in my Telly, you are still driving the old fashioned way. It simply "assists" IF (IF) you drift, and even then it does not take control away from you. By the way, I'm with you on the "wired house" (although I do have a new Washing Machine and Dryer that will tell me when a load is done). As of the "auto passing" thing NO, I don't think I would like that, but that's not the same as lane "assist" (which you can turn off if you don't like it).
 
"Passive" systems such as the rear collision assist are of benefit, agreed. It's the "take control" stuff I'd not want.
 
"Passive" systems such as the rear collision assist are of benefit, agreed. It's the "take control" stuff I'd not want.
I agree. Like I said from the outset, I don't want a "Self driving" car. The system I have in the Telly "can" keep me centered in the lane if I took my hands off the wheel, but it never "takes control" per se. If I move to the left, to give bikers more leeway, and the system gives my a slight nudge and an audible chime reminding me I'm close too the center line, It snot taking control - it's just giving a gentle reminder that I can easily over ride (and often do). It is not meant to be a replacement for keeping your hands on the wheel and your car under your control.
 
Are we conflating "AI" and "warning systems"?
 
Are we conflating "AI" and "warning systems"?
Not completely. "artificial intelligence (AI): the ability of a digital computer or computer-controlled robot to perform tasks commonly associated with intelligent beings."

In the sense that my Lane Assist can (if I were to let it) keep my car centered in my lane, without my input (hand off), is a rudimentary form of AI I would argue. Of course AI, as we understand it these days, does much more than that, but what my Telly can do, is a basic form of AI.
 
Thanks. Seems that today, there's a lot of debate about AI being taken for human intelligence - writing scripts, poems, news reports, etc. Making decisions for us, and human brains losing the ability to do that.

To me that's the scary part - not the "vibrating steering wheel". definition of AI.

Tom M.
 
Thanks. Seems that today, there's a lot of debate about AI being taken for human intelligence - writing scripts, poems, news reports, etc. Making decisions for us, and human brains losing the ability to do that.

To me that's the scary part - not the "vibrating steering wheel". definition of AI.

Tom M.
I agree with you as well. Were I a professor, I'd tell my students that their papers must be written by them personally, with citations. If it is determined that AI was used to assist, you fail!
AI systems will invariably have built-in bias of those who are doing the programming. That's another thing that concerns me. You may be getting a "news report" that reflects the inherent biases of those involved in writing the software. Could really be used to control the minds and opinions of a population such that they believe things that may or may not be accurate or objective. Hitler and Goebbels would have loved this! Certain search engines use these biases to show you results "they" think you need to see and suppress results they thing you don't need to see.
 
:devilish: Pandora says: I can certainly understand that sentiment, and I don't want a car to be completely AI (in other words, I still want to be the pilot in command). However, if some technology can enhance the safety of the car, and possibly help to keep me or my loved ones (not to mention my car) in one piece, then I'm willing to consider it.

An analogy would be today's modern aircraft. While it's true that the pilot is (and should be) still in command of the aircraft, today's jets have many systems that one would consider "AI" that serve to "assist" the pilot and help keep the hundreds of souls onboard safe. One such system is the Airborne Wind Shear Detection and Alert System, which alerts pilots to wind shear conditions ahead, kind of like the "Lane Assist" warns a driver if he is too close to the center line or the shoulder. The AWDAS was developed as a result of a catastrophic crash of an L-1011 in Dallas in 1985 in which the aircraft slammed into the ground while on final approach and 137 people were killed. The NTSB determined that a major factor was the plane hitting a micro burst (wind shear). So if you're a passenger on a jet coming in for a landing, and say there are T-storms in the area, would you want your plane to have this system on board, or would you rather just take your chances? (Spoiler Alert: The system is now mandated by the FAA for all commercial aircraft).

Bringing it back to cars, set aside for a moment our own infallible driving skills. Imagine a scenario where you're driving on a two lave country road. Coming the other direction, unseen by you due to the curve ahead, is a driver who is either young and inexperienced, tired, or God forbid under the influence. Just as this driver rounds the bend and comes into view, you see they have drifted over the center line, but you don't have time to react and a horrible head-on collision occurs. Had the person coming the other way had "lane assist," there is at least a chance (and a good chance IMHO) that they would not have crossed the center line.

As with any new technologies, early implementations are often less than perfect and refinements and improvements are made over time. Perhaps the implementations you've had experience with were earlier systems that felt too intrusive? I don't know, but I can say that the system in my Telly is not intrusive at all and I never feel like I'm not in complete control. In fact 99% of the time I'm not even aware it's there. (and an added benefit is that I get lower insurance premiums for having this systems in my car).

Another "AI" system that I have come to REALLY appreciate is my rear collision avoidance system. I'd guess that most people can relate to how unnerving it can be when backing out of a parking space at the local Shopping Mall, especially when some Van or truck is parked next to you. Even though we are as careful as humanly possible, most of us have had very close calls due to someone coming through the parking lot and we don't see them until the last moment. This rear collision avoidance system has radar sensors on the rear of the car that can detect when a car ( or pedestrian) is coming in either direction, even when we can't see. If the system detects that something is approaching, it will give an audible warning and the steering wheel gets your attention by vibrating.

Concluding thoughts: I don't want a self-driving car. I still want to be "in control" and not just a passenger. But I'm not against technology that can be used to alert me to situations that might help to keep me and others safer.
Here’s another safety feature I’ve heard about. Cirrus Aircraft has a β€œSafe Return” button for passengers if the pilot is incapacitated. Have a look…..
 
I agree with you as well. Were I a professor, I'd tell my students that their papers must be written by them personally, with citations. If it is determined that AI was used to assist, you fail!
AI systems will invariably have built-in bias of those who are doing the programming. That's another thing that concerns me. You may be getting a "news report" that reflects the inherent biases of those involved in writing the software. Could really be used to control the minds and opinions of a population such that they believe things that may or may not be accurate or objective. Hitler and Goebbels would have loved this! Certain search engines use these biases to show you results "they" think you need to see and suppress results they thing you don't need to see.

Saw the young fellow who's company has developed the ChatGPT software being interviewed on TV. He admitted they though it would push humans out of writing music, books, TV, movies and pretty much anything else like that. He then went on to say those people would then be free to find "really fun" occupations instead. If you think writing is the really fun thing, what else would you do??
 
Here’s another safety feature I’ve heard about. Cirrus Aircraft has a β€œSafe Return” button for passengers if the pilot is incapacitated. Have a look…..
Speaking of pilots becoming incapacitated, I saw recently where a man with zero flying experience made a perfect landing (with help from an instructor over the radio) in a Cessna Centurion, which is not a simple aircraft!
 
Speaking of pilots becoming incapacitated, I saw recently where a man with zero flying experience made a perfect landing (with help from an instructor over the radio) in a Cessna Centurion, which is not a simple aircraft!
Was that the guy in Florida?
 
Saw the young fellow who's company has developed the ChatGPT software being interviewed on TV. He admitted they though it would push humans out of writing music, books, TV, movies and pretty much anything else like that.
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He then went on to say those people would then be free to find "really fun" occupations instead.

People need to find a reason for getting up every day. "Really fun" occupations are going soon going to be rare as hen's teeth. Remember the opening of Soylent Green? Billions of people with nothing to do, and all their needs met by science and technology.

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I think so, yes. Nothing short of a miracle that he landed such a complex plan and walked away in one piece.
Ok, I do remember that and yes, I ~think~ it was a turboprop. He was and IS one lucky guy.
 
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