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Add some more non-original parts to my list /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/devilgrin.gif

I spoke with the PPO (previous,previous owner) and found out some interesting goodies. He is a local well known British car shop and had the car for a few years. Bought it without a trans. He replaced it with a later trans which he believes was a '68 and also a later style Starter.
What is the diiference (synchro vs. non synchro) whcih means what exactly. 'scuse me for my rookie question.
Is one more preferred over the other?
What might I experience down the line if I need to service this?

A few good things verified were:
Car had zero rust and he only resprayed it to clean it up.
Replaced Trans
Replaced Flywheel.
Replaced clutch & throw out bearing. (so I all my clutch problems might be from MC/slave which are already rebuilt)
Replaced the rod bearings only because he had them & felt like doing it.
Replaced Clutch slave
Replaced starter.
Added carpets.
He used it as a daily driver for 2 years and sold it to his friend from whom I bought the car from.
Verified the mileage to be true as when he had purchased the car which was 1988 it had been sitting for 15 years in a garage (probably with trans problems)

Had a nice chat with the guy and he is well known to a bunch of top guys in the MGCCLIC. Really into his cars and has about 20 British bikes.

Shares the same building with Joe Curto who you all know.

Invited me to his shop for a tour.
 
'68 & later transmissions were fully syncronized...earlier were only syncro 2-4..he had to replace the starter as the later transmission used a different one (probably same reason he replaced the flywheel)....no big differences in maintenance - if you ever need to replace starter, remember the change.

I hope his friend did the other PO changes...
 
PPPO took out tranny. Why? Not sure.
PPO did all the work drove it daily & it ran like a top.
PO did squat and did not have the ability to. Just drove it a few years and parked it with plans to work on it. Yeah right!
 
heh. You really DO have a jewel then. Later tranny in the last of the "proper" cars! Great deal. Explains the shifter being backwards. That way it's back to where it can be easily reached. If you put it "right way 'round" for the '67 it'd be too far back to use comfortably. Interesting.
 
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heh. You really DO have a jewel then. Later tranny in the last of the "proper" cars! Great deal.

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Is that a good thing, or are you being facetious? I'm still in the learning phase on these babies.
 
The later transmission is a bit nicer in traffic since there is syncro on all four gears. The early unit has no syncro on first gear. The other main diferences between the early and late units are the later model is more durable but the early model is much lighter, so that's a trade-off. Other than the syncro issue, the only difference you will notice when shifting the two is that the early one feels more mechanical and notchy where the later one feels smoother but more mushy and imprecise. Neither is bad, they are just different. I prefer the feel of the early model but in traffic that first gear syncro is nice to have. The gearing is slightly different between the two and the later model will put the shift lever 2-inches farther back.
 
Sounds like an even trade off though.
 
It just depends on what you want. The later transmission is technically a better unit but you are altering the car, adding 40 pounds of weight and changing the feel of the shifter. I prefer the feel and lighter weight of the early model but I'm willing to deal with no sync on first gear.
 
So if one day I feel like trying this out, I need to find a trans & starter & swap it out. IF.
Can you change the Trans without taking out the motor?
 
No way.
 
the same goes for the clutch... no?
 
Clutch and transmission both require the engine to come out. I've heard of the transmission being removed with the engine in place but it required cutting up the car and the engine still had to be shifted a couple inches.
 
it can be done, I used to have an article on my website about how to do it. Tony may have it now. It's easier, however, to pull the engine
 
Chuck - I do have the article..think its next to come up on my site...

I've pulled 1 transmission without the engine - notice I said "1"...it wasn't worth the hassle & actually took longer than just yanking the engine & transmission together (about 2 hours max)....plus, I had to get the car so high on jack stands that I was fearful of sliding under it.
 
Thats what the PPO stated. PITA but he did it and how the PPPO did it and didn't repair it is the mystery still. Wish I knew how to track him down, but he not owner the car in roughly 20 years.
 
I'll chime in too: Only safe/sane way to do tranny or clutch work is to yank the engine/transmission as a unit. This can be done with a pre-'68 car in as little as 45 minutes with the right tools and a bit of practice. Two people helps as well.
 
It does not look that complicated. I was just throwing the Q out there.
I have a hoist so IF I ever needed to do this, I would certainly pull the engine.
 
The article is up on my website:

https://www.theautoist.com/pulltranny.htm

In the article, he only talks about moving the transmission back enough to get to the clutch. If you want to completely remove the transmission from the car, you'll first need to remove the shift extension from the transmission.
 
To guote the article;
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I have done five of these now and will say it is close but it definitely does work. I have not done this with an OD transmission or the early, narrow tunnel cars so it may work for them too, but no guarantees.

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Having an earlier car and never doing it, I would most likely just pull the works and take it from there.

Thanks for the read TB.
 
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