Sometimes, I wish that Navistar wouldn't call their abomination of a company International. I mean the International Truck and engine Company holds little in common with the Internation Harvester Corporation from which it got its name. IHC was known for building the most robust, dependable heavy and light duty trucks on the road for over 50 years. When the company went bankrupt in the 70s it was sold off piece by piece. Cub cadet workers bought their plant, case bought out the farm divison, the diesel plant kept on suppling ford with diesels, etc. Now International has been brought back to life as a heavy duty truck company, and it builds crap. Yes that was a rant of sorts, I just ahte to see a grand old name go to waste on stupid projects like the one in this thread.