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The scammers are still at it

BJ8Healeys

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As the BJ8 Registrar, I was contacted yesterday by someone who doesn't know much about Healeys but is very interested in purchasing one. He found one on eBay that he likes, and at an attractive price. His question was whether I knew anything about the car, which he identified by chassis number as 33223. As it happened, I had a long history recorded for that car going back through 10 owners to early 1969. I also had the details of the car recorded, but they didn't seem to match what the prospective buyer had been told. He was just about ready to send his money to "eBay escrow" when he learned from the photos that he provided to me that the whole thing was a scam. The photos were identical to those included in an eBay ad for 29947 in 2014. The description was almost identical, except for some added words to bait the hook.

The point of this story is that the BJ8 Registry is not just a collection of idle data that might be slightly interesting but that isn't of any actual use to anyone. By having a central database of information about these cars and their histories, good things can happen for the BJ8 community -- from being able to shut down scams and save someone some big money and grief, to returning original driver's handbooks, warranty booklets, and identity plates to the car that they belong to, to answering questions or problems that owners have about their own cars, etc., etc.

I hope that those of you who are BJ8 owners and don't know about the registry, or those who do but don't see the value in providing information about their car to the registry, will appreciate the importance of doing so. The information you provide may not benefit you directly or immediately, but it could add to the database as a resource for the Healey and BJ8 worlds. After all, none of us get to keep them forever. The knowledge and information you provide about your car may pass on with you unless you allow it to be documented.

Thanks for listening, and Happy Healeying!
 
This one was up for sale on ebay last week: https://www.ebay.com/itm/222119867922?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

This auction seemed odd, but I asked a question about the car during the auction. The seller did not respond, and I did not bid. After the auction ended, the seller contacted me by email offering the car for considerably less than the ebay closing price. He/she claimed that the winning bidder placed their bid in error. What are the chances that one would receive this car if one paid for it? Red flags include the seller offering to ship the car anywhere in the world (sounds as if shipping may be included in price?), a price too good to be true, failure to provide contact information, and 0 ebay feedback. Maybe I am missing something.

A scammer could sell the same car to any number of potential buyers.
 
There are several clues to a scam, such as a ridiculously low price for a car obviously in pretty good condition from the photos posted with the ad, refusal to allow inspection of the car on-site (the current explanation to a mark seems to be that the seller has had surgery in another state and is unable to travel at the moment to where the car is located in order to make it available for inspection).

Obvious to me (because I have the data) is a car advertised for sale today in Montana when three days ago on eBay it was in Connecticut for a legitimate sale, or a claim about its history that is refuted by the records for the car in the registry.
This guy was claiming to have inherited "33223" in 1993, whereas the history I have for it shows it was sold on eBay in 2006 and 2008, and before that had had three different owners, with the latest owning the car from 10 June 1991 to 30 May 2005. The photos he posted were not of 33223 in Louisiana as he claimed, but of 29947 in Texas that sold on eBay in 2014 (he used the same photos and description from that sale). If necessary, I can contact previous owners to find out if the car being offered is the same one they owned. In the past, I have contacted more than one owner of record in the registry to find out they still own the car and it ain't for sale.

Yes, he could string along as many potential buyers as he wanted until he collected from as many as possible and then disappeared.
 
I believe the BJ8 referenced above was offered on eBay late last year as well. Using the photos from a previous offering as Steve mentions (car w/ Texas plates). The story at that time was the "owner" somewhere in Georgia or the Carolinas "running his business" but the car was in Houston (note - my backyard).

Although I couldn't look at the car before we closed an "off eBay deal" (note - I indicated I could be at his storage facility in less than 65 minutes more than once), he reassured me that I could get my money back upon delivery if I wasn't satisfied. I corresponded with Steve and my suspicions were quickly confirmed.

In summary, the registry is invaluable.
 
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