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All I know is that the standard 10 (TR 10) has the exact same front suspension as the Elva MkI & II
(Everything from the A arms to disk wheels)
(Everything from the A arms to disk wheels)
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Ah, a car near and dear to my heart! Some information may be found on the VTR site: <https://www.vtr.org/Triumph10/index.shtml>. Except for the 10's live axle (the differential of which does use the same bits as Heralds), the drivetrain is very similar to the 948cc Heralds. Engine is virtually identical, and the gearbox uses the same ratios as the early Heralds. With some parts swapping, you can use 1147cc Herald/Spitfire motors (maybe even the bigger ones), and you should be able to adapt the later Herald/Spitfire gearbox with little difficulty.
[DISCLAIMER: I do happen to be VTR's Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 (Vitesse) vehicle consultant, and the first Triumph in my family was a 10 sedan.]
The "weak link" is the rear axle, specifically the axle shafts. They're very hard to come by, and they were known to break even with a stock drivetrain, so upgrades can be iffy.
Is this the yellow wagon that's been advertised off and on in recent months? or maybe the white sedan recently on eBay?
[DISCLAIMER: I do happen to be VTR's Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 (Vitesse) vehicle consultant, and the first Triumph in my family was a 10 sedan.]
The "weak link" is the rear axle, specifically the axle shafts. They're very hard to come by, and they were known to break even with a stock drivetrain, so upgrades can be iffy.
Is this the yellow wagon that's been advertised off and on in recent months? or maybe the white sedan recently on eBay?
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yep, it's the wagon. its on orcas island -- that's the difficulty in finding a buyer. ferry from anacortes with a trailer both ways will be about $100. I'm trying to work a swap with my older brother in bremerton for an alph romeo spider. wife tells me to get rid of one of my other cars, so i guess the rangie goes.
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Andy,
I heard the rear axles were Riley 1.5.....Any truth to that?
BTW......Here is a fix-er-upper fur 20 bucks /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220000565083&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1
I heard the rear axles were Riley 1.5.....Any truth to that?
BTW......Here is a fix-er-upper fur 20 bucks /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220000565083&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1
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There's a local Triumph 10 wagon that has a 1500 spitfire engine installed. I don't know what transmission is in use but I can find out the next time I'm out there if you like.
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Terry, hopefully at least a later three-rail gearbox was adapted for that 1500, or the owner must be a bit unhappy. The 10/early Herald gearbox had almost a "granny gear" for 1st; in fact, some of the owner's manuals actually suggested that 1st was not necessary for normal level starts from rest. (My dad always drove the 10 that way and then quickly ruined the first clutch in the new Herald 1200, which had different ratios and was NOT designed to start in 2nd normally!) Also, on those early boxes, the gap from 2nd to 3rd was enough to drive the proverbial truck through...again, fine for the early motor but not for the later, torquier ones.
The Herald/Spitfire gearboxes mount differently in the rear, but it shouldn't be too difficult to adapt something there. An all-synchro three-rail Spitfire box would be ideal, I'd think.
As for the rear axle, it was a Standard unit, first developed in the early 1950s for the Standard 8 (803cc) and continued through the 10s and Pennants and commercial versions of same. My understanding is that the same axle continued to be used in India, where CKD Heralds were built under license by STAMPRO. That company later redesigned the Herald into the Standard Gazel, which reverted to that live axle rather than the swing-axle setup of the Heralds.
Seeing as Riley was part of BMC, somewhat of a rival to Standard-Triumph at the time, it's unlikely BMC would've willingly shared such a major component with the competition except at great cost! (Heck, that's why we have Zenith Stromberg CD carburetors: Triumph designed these in the early 1960s to avoid paying BMC the high prices charged for SUs! Ironically, Triumph continued to use SUs on the Spitfires, even though there were 1.25" versions of the Stromberg! On the other hand, the last MGs in the US all used single Strombergs.)
The Herald/Spitfire gearboxes mount differently in the rear, but it shouldn't be too difficult to adapt something there. An all-synchro three-rail Spitfire box would be ideal, I'd think.
As for the rear axle, it was a Standard unit, first developed in the early 1950s for the Standard 8 (803cc) and continued through the 10s and Pennants and commercial versions of same. My understanding is that the same axle continued to be used in India, where CKD Heralds were built under license by STAMPRO. That company later redesigned the Herald into the Standard Gazel, which reverted to that live axle rather than the swing-axle setup of the Heralds.
Seeing as Riley was part of BMC, somewhat of a rival to Standard-Triumph at the time, it's unlikely BMC would've willingly shared such a major component with the competition except at great cost! (Heck, that's why we have Zenith Stromberg CD carburetors: Triumph designed these in the early 1960s to avoid paying BMC the high prices charged for SUs! Ironically, Triumph continued to use SUs on the Spitfires, even though there were 1.25" versions of the Stromberg! On the other hand, the last MGs in the US all used single Strombergs.)
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yep, it's the wagon. its on orcas island -- that's the difficulty in finding a buyer. ferry from anacortes with a trailer both ways will be about $100....
[/ QUOTE ]I suspected as much! In all honesty, I'd have loved to grab that car...if it weren't clear across the country! If you do get it, I'll be very curious to hear more about it.
I hope I don't scare you off here, but there are two things that really intrigued me about this car, based on photos I've seen. One is the fact that it apparently was originally Coffee color both inside and out; the interior has survived, but the outside is now yellow, of course. Coffee happens to be one of my very favorite "period" Triumph colors.
The other thing is that, by the commission number, I'm almost positive that the front end should be the later style, ala Standard Pennant, yet this car sports the older-style front end. Of course, it could be the result of a minor (or even moderate but not structurally destructive) front crash or even some rust damage (very, very common in the later front fenders!), after which a readily available (earlier) front facia and fenders were bolted on. From what I've been able to tell from pictures I've seen of the car, it looks pretty straight all around, so this "feature" only worries the purist in me. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
yep, it's the wagon. its on orcas island -- that's the difficulty in finding a buyer. ferry from anacortes with a trailer both ways will be about $100....
[/ QUOTE ]I suspected as much! In all honesty, I'd have loved to grab that car...if it weren't clear across the country! If you do get it, I'll be very curious to hear more about it.
I hope I don't scare you off here, but there are two things that really intrigued me about this car, based on photos I've seen. One is the fact that it apparently was originally Coffee color both inside and out; the interior has survived, but the outside is now yellow, of course. Coffee happens to be one of my very favorite "period" Triumph colors.
The other thing is that, by the commission number, I'm almost positive that the front end should be the later style, ala Standard Pennant, yet this car sports the older-style front end. Of course, it could be the result of a minor (or even moderate but not structurally destructive) front crash or even some rust damage (very, very common in the later front fenders!), after which a readily available (earlier) front facia and fenders were bolted on. From what I've been able to tell from pictures I've seen of the car, it looks pretty straight all around, so this "feature" only worries the purist in me. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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The photos I have of the car, from the eBay auction listings, seem to show Coffee paint under the hood (firewall, inner fenders, etc.). On the other hand, the yellow might well be AN original period Triumph color known as either Primrose or Pale Yellow. And Triumph often paired the Coffee interior with a like-color exterior, so....
Hard to say about the bumper. Most had a profile (cross-section if you will) similar to that of the TR3A/B front bumper. Earlier Standard 8s and maybe some of the earlier Standard 10s had more of a flat bumper like the TR2 and early TR3. I've not done any side-by-side comparisons (although I could easily enough), so I'm not sure if a TR3A bumper might be substituted for a 10 bumper.
Hard to say about the bumper. Most had a profile (cross-section if you will) similar to that of the TR3A/B front bumper. Earlier Standard 8s and maybe some of the earlier Standard 10s had more of a flat bumper like the TR2 and early TR3. I've not done any side-by-side comparisons (although I could easily enough), so I'm not sure if a TR3A bumper might be substituted for a 10 bumper.
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ok its a done deal. my brother is buying the truimph 10 and a spitty 1500 engine with an overdrive transmission from him. then my brother and I are swapping a spider veloce I bought here in eugene for the triumph. so next month I'll probably get it home. pix posted then.