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Izual Angel

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I know, I know. I feel like a post whore to-day but I started thinking. This is kind of a two part question. #1 I'm thinking of selling my daily driver (goodbye car payments) and getting a TR7 or a Spitfire. My question is how are spitfires? How's the handling, the engine feel? What are some common problems? Would it be better to get that, or another TR7? Question 2 - Do you think this idea is retarded? Thanks.
 
Izual,

I say get a spitfire. I probably drive my spit more than anyone else here as I use it as my daily driver. It has plenty of get up and go handles well gets good gas mileage and is just fun to drive. I admit that I am prejudiced against the 7s, I have driven a couple and to me they just don't look feel or act like a british sports car.

Cheers,
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Walter
 
<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr> I admit that I am prejudiced against the 7s, I have driven a couple and to me they just don't look feel or act like a british sports car. <hr></blockquote>

It that because I can drive my -7 in the dark without having to have 2 flashlights available to duct tape to the front of the bonnet for headlights because of being smited by the great god Lucas?
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Seriously, when I was majorly younger, I had a Spit. I got rid of it before I met my wife, but because of all the fond memories I had of it, she forced me to buy a replacement LBC. I like the -7 better...it's "peppier" (Mine has fuel injection), and is a little larger. You can actually put a weekend's worth of luggage in the boot. However, there's still a soft spot in my heart for Spits...I'd probably get one of them for the wife (if she'd let me
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[ 03-13-2004: Message edited by: ObiRichKanobi ]</p>
 
Thanks for the responses. I'm pretty unfamiliar with Spits, but I like the way the whole front end lifts up. Are there any specific years that should be looked for, or avoided? I'm pretty familiar with the 7s, but not the spits as I said. I'm also thinking that my idea isn't totally insane now. Thank you
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I just thought I'd post that. Does that price seem about right?

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Spitfires are neet cars. You will find that the TR7 seems roomy by compairison to the Spitfire.

The Spit is a lot less sophisticated than the TR7 when it comes to its handling and road manners, but thats part of what makes it fun to drive. Also, the electrical system in the TR7 is orders of magnatude more reliable than in the Spit....in otherwords, be afraid.
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I wonder, if the TR7 had just been named the Wedge or something, instead of being the end of the TR line, would it have been hated by Triumph enthusiasts so much? It did end up outselling all other Triumph sports cars in spite of all the hate...
 
Izual,
Have you ever considered the TR6? A little larger than the Spit with part availability about the same. Not, however, as cheap as the Spit or as plentiful. The "Big Triumph" is escalating in value, too. It wasn't but 3 or 4 years ago that a good example could be had for 4K. Be prepared to pay 6 and up, way up.

Bill
 
I have owned two Spitfires. They are not super fast, but they are still a lot of fun to drive. For a car as small as the Spitfire it has a fair amount of legroom. It drives like a go-cart. One thing I especially like about my Spity is that it is very easy to work on (for most things).

Basil
 
i drive by a later model spit everyday. it sags some in the rear and has been sitting outside all winter. i stopped in one day last summer, and inquired about it. 1700 IIRC. it needs TLC and some one to luv her. if i didnt have too many things going already i would have bought her. but space is at a premium in my garage at the moment. There was also a tr6 sitting beside her for a while, i hope it was moved inside for the winter
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but everyday i look at that little white spit, and hope that she finds a home soon


mark
 
I've owned three spit 1500s, two '78s, and one '80.
My observations:
Pretty easy to work on, except you still deal with rusted fasteners and bits breaking off.

The rear end design, while giving fairly good handling, is expensive to rebuild, rear ends are good for about 50k miles before the start screaming.

Ride is decent, but still lot's of scuttle shake and crashing over holes.

Cardboard tranny tunnel a joke and needs to be replaced with aftermarket one, which is somewhat a pain to do.

Transmission is fragile and an overdrive option is really nice to save the engine's bottom end and your ears on highway runs. But O/D's can be finicky, mine was....

engines, especially 1500s, need thrust washers and bearings by around 50k miles, leaving it longer is asking for trouble...

Not as solid feeling of a car as say, a healthy MGB, but spits use real shocks as opposed to the ridiculous oil filled units on Bs, and Bs with rusty sills feel pretty loose, even compared to body on frame cars.

I always reeked of exhaust after diving all of my spits with the top down. Even with new exhaust systems, just a factor of the exhaust swirling back over the trunk lid, I think.

Fairly easy car to restore, as it's body on frame.

Now, I haven't driven a 7, sat in a few, feels a little like sitting in a tall bath tub, especially for us short guys. Supposedly early 7s were an electrical nightmare. The later the 7, the better by my what my books tell me. I think they have head gasket issues, or something, but I may be wrong on that.

Anyway, best to drive one. I still see 7s cheaper than spits out here.

Good luck with the search...
 
Hello all,
I remeber the launch of the TR 7 and really feeling very disappointed as it had less performance than the TR 6. I know, also, that was the general feeling of enthusiasts at that time. The car never really recovered from that initial reaction, until the TR 8 made an appearance.

What would have been nice, if Triumph had really sorted the (Stag) V8 engine out and fitted that. Better still if they used the Dolomite Sprint cylinder heads with the 4 valve layout. Now that could have been a real performance engine and made the 7 something very special.

By the way, does anyone remeber the twin cam four cylinder (Sabrina) engine for the Le Mans TR's.

Alec
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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by ObiRichKanobi:


However, there's still a soft spot in my heart for Spits...I'd probably get one of them for the wife.
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I didn't know that that type of trade was available. I guess I would have to throw in the kids to get myself another 7 then.
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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Izual Angel:

SilentUnicorn - What is 1700 IIRC?

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1700.00 dollars ...if i recall correctly
 
<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr> Originally posted by ObiRichKanobi:

However, there's still a soft spot in my heart for Spits...I'd probably get one of them for the wife.
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I didn't know that that type of trade was available. I guess I would have to throw in the kids to get myself another 7 then.


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LOL...I think I'll keep her(the wife). I mean how many wives will tell you to go buy an LBC because you need a hobby other than playing on the computer all the time. But she'd probably love a Spit...except she's REALLY hard on clutches.
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Thanks for the comments everyone. I appreciate any help I can get (and this seems a darn good place to find help)
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Dr. Bill - I'm not a big fan of the TR6. It's a little boxy for my tastes. It also kind of looks like an old man car to me. (I'm probably a lot younger than most everyone else here, though. Here's a hint. My TR7 is 6 years older than me.) I'm also looking for something cheap.

SilentUnicorn - What is 1700 IIRC?

JM1NA - Your comment about Bs got me thinking. I was actually looking for a B when I found my TR7. I've never driven a B, however. The head gasket issue comes from the aluminum head on an iron block.
 
I have both, they both have their own little quarkes and treats. I like the TR7 couple if its raining or very cold out and the spitfire when the sun is bright. The TR7 conv. is nice most of the time the tops on the Tr7 seem to seal a little better than the spits. Eather would be a great choice, and they both are not overly priced(like the TR3, TR4, and TR6)for fun cars. The other nice thing is that they wont lose value they only go up. The main thing is buy what catchs you eye and you cant go wrong!!
Later Dave
 
Oh, this is hard. I've had a '63 Mark I and '78 Spitfire 1500 and used both for daily driver in nothern New England for years. Now I have a TR-7 in the same region for the same reasons.

My Spitfire 1500 was purchased in the late 80's and run for about 50,000 miles before terminal rust set in. In its lifetime, it spun a bearing at around 75,000 miles that necessitated an engine rebuild. Once rebuilt well, and once nurtured with 3,000 oil/filer changes religously, it ran fine for the rest of its life. It's still in regular use by another owner in Massachusetts. Other than starters and alternators, it did not need any electrical repairs. Oh, when the Lucas electonic ignition failed, I swapped out the distributor with an old one with points. Once adjusted, I rarely had starting problems, even when well below zero.

The transmission defied reputation by being bulletproof. The rear end was another story. While the differential never gave me a problem other than noise, the rear axles were something else. Twice the U-joints on the rear suspension broke and disabled the car - always hundreds of miles from home. The rear spring also weakened; replacing it really improved the handling. The suspension was the weak point for daily driving in terms of longevity. Just plan on having them replaced at 30,000-40,000 miles and you'll avoid problems.

The car was buzzy on the highway [no overdrive on mine] but would run on long trips with great mileage. The heater was challenged, though, when the temperature dropped below 20 F. Still, I ran it daily from 1988 - 1998.

After a spell with an MGB, I looked for another daily driver sports car and found both a late 1500 in superb body shape and 80,000 miles on the odometer. For another $1,000, I found an '80 TR-7 Spider with 48,000 miles, also in great body shape. Both ran very well. The Spit was huge fun and rekindled my fascination with the model.

Staring at the wedge, though, I found it surprisingly appealing - something that never happened in the '70's. And driving it proved to me that a car with power, room and a real trunk [you can barely get a sandwich in the trunk of the Spitifre - you'll need a luggage rack for certain] make a lot of sense. I've put 18,000 miles during the past year, in bitter cold, snow and ice, as well as lovely summer weather, and I couldn't be happier.

The Spitfire is definitely a more "flingable" car; the laws of physics work well for light cars. But the TR-7 cruises at 3,000 at 70 mph in 5th [the Spit will need 4,500] and will do so with a real heater, superb seats and fine handling. If it's bigger, it's still very responsive and not at all soft. It handles very well at much higher speeds when the Spitfire is essentially tapped out.

My TR-7 has needed some clutch work [bent clutch fork], brake pads, a starter and new wheel bearings [not a strong point on the 7]. I don't regret my choice of the TR-7 as my only car; as a second car, a Spitfire would be delightful.

Good luck with your choice!

Jeff Aronson
Vinalhaven Island, ME
 
Thanks for all the responses. Still havn't changed cars yet, waiting for my current DD to sell :-\ Although I'm pretty set on getting another TR7. I love the look, as brits go they're not too bad to work on, and I have spares out the wahzoo for my 76.

One question. How do the 7s handle in snow/ice?
 
Don't be swayed by the wedge I hear its designer was inspired at a cheese shop. Go for the Spitfire. Spitfire Spitfire Spitfire.

Cheers,
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Walter

P.S. Either way you go at least its not an MG

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In spite of some of it's shortcomings, I think that the Spit has one of the nicest styled & "cutest" bodies ever designed. Definitely a neat little car. Not a really bad mechanical design either & easy to work on. The Spit with OD does a credible job of cruising.
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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr> Don't be swayed by the wedge I hear its desigenr was inspired at a cheese shop. Go for the Spitfire. Spitfire Spitfire Spitfire. <hr></blockquote>

Now really...and I was thinking about commissioning a TR7 shaped hat...so we could all be wedgeheads. If only the Spit had a nice fuel injection system....
 
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