"Something" has always been "here".

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Billy -

Not really sure what kind of answer you're looking for; rather, which question. And there's the rub: We don't even have the question right yet.

Have to agree with Tom's earlier statement about human limitation and language. But neither one of those is a match for our hubris. :wink:

I know yours already, it's job required. You not only think about it, you talk about it all the time, same w/ JP. The question is posed for lay folks no matter what camp they are in. Do you ever thing about the fact that "something" has always been there (and do you have a problem with getting your mind around it?) In a way it's a very open question that can go in any direct. It can be as simple as a yes or no, or it may lead to a completely different dialog like my donkey kong comment. This "eternity" thing has always bugged me since I was a kid. The point is, God or not, there's no escaping it, that bugs me. That goes back to something always lurking in the darkness before there was even darkness...


He's something I thought about this morning I think you'll appreciate. (I don't want to go into it though, you'll see why).

It has been said, "Each has been given a measure of faith" (either "a" or "the", I can't remember). That has always bugged me. You would think if that was the case, everyone would believe the same thing. It then hit me this morning, it takes the same amount of "faith" (going back to my original definition) to believe any of the aforementioned models. This does in fact back up the "measure" statement. It states a given measure BUT... it doesn't specify in what. "Faith" has been given just as freely as "will"; they may do as they please with either. This realization satisfies my "problem" with the aforementioned statement.

That's just a realization I'd thought you'd like. I by no means want to inject that into this discussion as it's too "shop talk" related.

 

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Here's something else I just realized, "Doubt" (in any flavor) are seeds of faith planted in another field. It's the measure spread into another area. (Once again, all inclusive to secular thinking as well).

Plant it, it takes root. Water it, it grows; don't, it dies. I wish I could go into detail but I just built a bridge across two concepts I need to cross right now.

 

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A teacher is about to scream. Half his class says "We should follow the strict curriculum!". Other half says "We should be creative and interpret the curriculum based on current needs!" They never stop arguing.

Teacher goes to Principal and asks "Are we supposed to teach the strict curriculum?

No

Are we supposed to be creative and interpret the curriculum?

No.

Teacher says "But my class is always arguing! What should we be doing?

Principal says: "Arguing"

 

[Guest]

Billy -

Not really sure what kind of answer you're looking for; rather, which question. And there's the rub: We don't even have the question right yet.

Have to agree with Tom's earlier statement about human limitation and language. But neither one of those is a match for our hubris. :wink:

Which is where the ability to believe without definitive proof comes in.

Enlighten me Tom as I don't see the connection. What I'm referring to is doubt in whatever belief in "something" is belief going from that area into another. I think I may have heard that once before but I've never put anything thought into it. It makes perfect sense and goes back into "belief" being of finite quantity. You can't make faith grow, you just move it from one system to the other.

This is really cool as that has always bugged me.