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Ahhhh Mike... I think he's gotcha there.
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Yankee,
That reminds me of the old story about the foreigner watching his first baseball game: When he learned that the batter could walk to first base instead of running because he had four balls, he yelled at the batter "walk tall, man, walk tall." If you've got the balls to put THAT into THAT, you can walk tall, man, walk tall!
That reminds me of the old story about the foreigner watching his first baseball game: When he learned that the batter could walk to first base instead of running because he had four balls, he yelled at the batter "walk tall, man, walk tall." If you've got the balls to put THAT into THAT, you can walk tall, man, walk tall!
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i still think it would be cool to toss a turbo 4 cylinder (undisclosed manufacturer) running a modern engine management system into a TR. ...just to prove there is a replacement for displacement. ..although cramming a V8 with a vintage 4x weber manfold, or a race prepped jag V12 with 6 webers would be cool too!
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Hey Yankie,
Are you Planning on Jacking the Car Up to Compensate for the Potiential Oil Pan Drag?
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Are you Planning on Jacking the Car Up to Compensate for the Potiential Oil Pan Drag?
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i still think it would be cool to toss a turbo 4 cylinder (undisclosed manufacturer) running a modern engine management system into a TR. ...just to prove there is a replacement for displacement. ...
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It is cool, and it has been done, but there is still no replacement for displacement /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
i still think it would be cool to toss a turbo 4 cylinder (undisclosed manufacturer) running a modern engine management system into a TR. ...just to prove there is a replacement for displacement. ...
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Never been a fan of straight line racing, but if they can make the twisties.........!!!!!
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They can! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/yesnod.gif That engine shown above, with a T5 transmission, weighs less than 25 pounds more than an MGB engine with an OD tranny. I have personally weighed them to compare. With a Ford 8" rear axle and a three link suspension, the weight is back in balance with the heavier Ford engine. With the Fast Car's front suspension setup, and the three-link rear, there's not a stock MGB on earth that'll outhandle it.
Never been a fan of straight line racing, but if they can make the twisties.........!!!!!
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They can! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/yesnod.gif That engine shown above, with a T5 transmission, weighs less than 25 pounds more than an MGB engine with an OD tranny. I have personally weighed them to compare. With a Ford 8" rear axle and a three link suspension, the weight is back in balance with the heavier Ford engine. With the Fast Car's front suspension setup, and the three-link rear, there's not a stock MGB on earth that'll outhandle it.
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Never been a fan of straight line racing, but if they can make the twisties.........!!!!!
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They can! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/yesnod.gif That engine shown above, with a T5 transmission, weighs less than 25 pounds more than an MGB engine with an OD tranny. I have personally weighed them to compare. With a Ford 8" rear axle and a three link suspension, the weight is back in balance with the heavier Ford engine. With the Fast Car's front suspension setup, and the three-link rear, there's not a stock MGB on earth that'll outhandle it.
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Never been a fan of straight line racing, but if they can make the twisties.........!!!!!
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They can! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/yesnod.gif That engine shown above, with a T5 transmission, weighs less than 25 pounds more than an MGB engine with an OD tranny. I have personally weighed them to compare. With a Ford 8" rear axle and a three link suspension, the weight is back in balance with the heavier Ford engine. With the Fast Car's front suspension setup, and the three-link rear, there's not a stock MGB on earth that'll outhandle it.
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TR6 with a Turbo-4:
https://www.britishv8.org/Triumph/svotr6.htm
A few TR6 V8 conversions
https://www.britishv8.org/Photos-Triumph-Conversions.htm
https://www.britishv8.org/Triumph/svotr6.htm
A few TR6 V8 conversions
https://www.britishv8.org/Photos-Triumph-Conversions.htm
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i still think it would be cool to toss a turbo 4 cylinder (undisclosed manufacturer) running a modern engine management system into a TR. ...just to prove there is a replacement for displacement.
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The Turbo IS the replacement. Which is why turbocharged cars are restricted in displacement to non turbocharged cars in EVERY form of racing world wide. Which is also why forced induction vs normal aspiration are like apples and oranges.
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i still think it would be cool to toss a turbo 4 cylinder (undisclosed manufacturer) running a modern engine management system into a TR. ...just to prove there is a replacement for displacement.
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The Turbo IS the replacement. Which is why turbocharged cars are restricted in displacement to non turbocharged cars in EVERY form of racing world wide. Which is also why forced induction vs normal aspiration are like apples and oranges.
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The Turbo IS the replacement. Which is why turbocharged cars are restricted in displacement to non turbocharged cars in EVERY form of racing world wide. Which is also why forced induction vs normal aspiration are like apples and oranges.
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Which is another way of saying "displacement is a replacement for turbocharging." If they allowed turbocharging on larger diplacement engines, the racers would run turbochargers on larger displacement engines. And then we'd be right back where we started from - there is no replacement for displacement.
Comparing an engine used for racing to an engine used on the street is really comparing apples to oranges. What's good for the track isn't what's good for the street. Engines identical to the Ford 302 shown above were dyno tested by both Car Craft and Hot Rod magazines, and both got identical numbers: 375hp, and over 300lbft torque from off idle to redline (6,000 rpm), with a peak of around 350. I don't believe you'll get that kind of torgue curve out of a streetable 2.3L turbocharged 4 cylinder. In fact, I don't believe you'll get that kind of torque curve out of any 23.L turbo engine. On the race car, you can gear up to run at 10,000 rpm, but getting out of the pits can be very sluggish until you get the rpm up. That wouldn't be a lot of fun on the street.
With some reasonable modifications, I could get well over 400hp out of that 302, but I wouldn't want to drive it on a regular basis. It would become a real pita for use as a street driver. I have driven an MGB with that same engine, and it is not only EXTREMELY fast, but also very docile. Your grandmother could drive it.
Comparing forced induction to normal asperation is NOT the same as comparing forced induction to larger displacement. Forced induction and displacement are two totally different things. Whatever displacement engine you have, you can get more out of it with turbocharging; Whatever power you get out of a turbocharged engine, you can get more out of it by increasing the displacement.
The Turbo IS the replacement. Which is why turbocharged cars are restricted in displacement to non turbocharged cars in EVERY form of racing world wide. Which is also why forced induction vs normal aspiration are like apples and oranges.
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Which is another way of saying "displacement is a replacement for turbocharging." If they allowed turbocharging on larger diplacement engines, the racers would run turbochargers on larger displacement engines. And then we'd be right back where we started from - there is no replacement for displacement.
Comparing an engine used for racing to an engine used on the street is really comparing apples to oranges. What's good for the track isn't what's good for the street. Engines identical to the Ford 302 shown above were dyno tested by both Car Craft and Hot Rod magazines, and both got identical numbers: 375hp, and over 300lbft torque from off idle to redline (6,000 rpm), with a peak of around 350. I don't believe you'll get that kind of torgue curve out of a streetable 2.3L turbocharged 4 cylinder. In fact, I don't believe you'll get that kind of torque curve out of any 23.L turbo engine. On the race car, you can gear up to run at 10,000 rpm, but getting out of the pits can be very sluggish until you get the rpm up. That wouldn't be a lot of fun on the street.
With some reasonable modifications, I could get well over 400hp out of that 302, but I wouldn't want to drive it on a regular basis. It would become a real pita for use as a street driver. I have driven an MGB with that same engine, and it is not only EXTREMELY fast, but also very docile. Your grandmother could drive it.
Comparing forced induction to normal asperation is NOT the same as comparing forced induction to larger displacement. Forced induction and displacement are two totally different things. Whatever displacement engine you have, you can get more out of it with turbocharging; Whatever power you get out of a turbocharged engine, you can get more out of it by increasing the displacement.
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....although, turbocharging does become increasingly difficult with larger displacements. especially in an engine that really wasn't designed for it (ie: American V8's). I know of several guys that running Porsche 944 Turbos with over 600 HP at the flywheel, and a completely flat torque curve. I know a guy who has a 1200 HP Toyota that is driven on the street. It's all about proper fuel management and EPROM mapping.
The Ford 2.3 Turbo is somewhat of a joke. It's late '70's and early 80's technology. To use that as an example of turbocharging technology is a bit unfair.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of big engines...I love the sound and the looks.
... but don't underestimate MODERN turbocharging and engine management technology. ...There's a reason that modern cars get higher horsepower and reliablity out of smaller displacements now.
The Ford 2.3 Turbo is somewhat of a joke. It's late '70's and early 80's technology. To use that as an example of turbocharging technology is a bit unfair.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of big engines...I love the sound and the looks.
... but don't underestimate MODERN turbocharging and engine management technology. ...There's a reason that modern cars get higher horsepower and reliablity out of smaller displacements now.