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Return of the TR?

Dotanukie:
Very simple -- we have ride height and impact standards that are expensive to meet. Also, Clean Air legislation requires significant and expensive development to engines.

So you'll need to either fit an exisitng US-spec engine (like they did in the Lotus) or you make an engine for just one small production car. Ask Honda why they are stopping the production of the S2000 this year?

Also, the American market is very tough on small cars, because we are a horsepower society. It is near impossible to sell a new car with under 120HP in America now.

Mickey,
I feel your pain. We need to keep in mind, though, that marketing-driven business is a good thing IF you have good marketers. I think that GM and Ford gave marketing guys a bad name, mostly because they never quite understood how to brand-manage in the way that traditional marketing-driven companies (like P&G) have done.

As a guy who got a degree in marketing and worked in the corporate world before becoming a writer, I understand that BMW can't use us as the target for an entry-level two seater. Most of us are too old, or too finicky to buy a Miata competitor. Sure, a number of us might buy a new Triumph, but consider that only 660,000 (approximately) sporting Triumphs were made (TR2-8, Spit, Stag, GT6.) That's just too small a population (even throwing in 600,000 MGA and MGB owners and the small group of Healey owners.)

BMW has talked about bringing out a 1-series sports roadster, and BMW has more to gain with its own name, than to have the issues of trying to maintain another separate brand name.

But personally, I'd love to see a new TR! I just don't think it makes sense, given BMW's positioning and the fact it already owns the Healey name, which has a better and higher-end recognition among non british car owners.
 
Sammy,

Yeah, I sort of knew all the things you mentioned, but I wanted to gripe anyway, eases my frustration. I'm a big horsepower freak, no doubt, but I'd still love to have the opportunity to own one of these cool little modern sports cars.

As much as I would like to see the rebirth of a classic LBC brand, I certainly hope they do not build that Warwick concept. I'm a big fan of the classic Healeys but I'm sorry, that concept is butt ugly. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/pukeface.gif
 
I agree that the Warwick concept is not a pretty auto. I wish there were some more pictures of it to puruse, But from what I can see of it I think the rear end might look pretty good, and if they remodeled the grill and headlights, took a little of that edge off it would be a very pleasing car. But oh well its not like they would actually decide to bring the healy badge back, as a big healy would compete directly against the Z4. I think the odds of them reviving the Triumph badge would be more likely.
 
I remember seeing a few pictures from different angles of the 'Warwick' a some years ago.
Remember thinking it looked great and wished they'd make it.
Needless to say, I have no idea where I came across the pics! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
 
A not-so-great rear view of the Warwick:

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Maybe our best hope for affordable roadsters lies in, gulp, GM? I'm looking forward to the Pontiac Solstice and its sister the Saturn Sky, both of which are expected to come in around $20K to start.
 
huck, you may be right. I saw them both up at NAIAS and for the first time I saw a car I would consider buying (the Saturn Sky, not the Pontiac Solstice, just don't like the front end). Plus there's already a factory supercharger for the Ecotec (it's on one of the other Saturn models).

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(sorry for the size)
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The rear thre quarter shot of the Warwick actually looks nice. Very good lines if only the front could match it. I like the looks of that Saturn, pretty snappy looking, I just wonder how it will perform and how it will hold up.
 
Agreed, I like the sky alot, but want to puke when I look at the solstice. Sorry if that's harsh, I'm just not a big fan of Pontiac styling.

I'd be surprised though if they could bring the Sky in at $20K, the car just looks alot more expensive than that, at least with some decent options. However, it would be great if they could, so I'm rooting for Saturn and GM on that one. Would give the people looking for a nice stylish entry level drop top sports car another option.

You know, the more I stare at that Warwick picture, the more it grows on me, at least the rear view. I don't think I'll ever like the front view, but the back is not bad, very Healey-ish.
 
Wow, ya know, I actually really like the look of the Warwick, as it were. That is one of the few retros I have seen that stylistically does a fair job of paying hommage to its namesake. Some retros really seem to miss the mark for me. This one has a classy look, is definitely modernized, keeps some aero-dynamic lines, all without giving up any of its prestige. Not bad. I would way rather look at that coming downt the road as opposed to yet another VW bug, or PT Cruiser!!
 
My only real problem with the Warwick, are the headlights, and the front bumper. It would look so much better with no bumper, and round or roundish headlights.
 
I think that the Sky is supposed to be more expensive. If the demand is there, it will be well above its price-point anyway (IE: MINI Cooper).

Here's a niche that no one is addressing, five seater convertibles. Few four seaters actually seat four adults and none are designed as five seates (well below $100,000 anyway). A convertible Chysler 300 would be neat. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/square.gif
 
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A convertible Chysler 300 would be neat.

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I couldn't agree more. I'd love to see the return of an American phaeton 4 door convertible ala the 60's Lincolns. The 300 would make a great candidate for this, although I'm pretty sure that whoever made it I wouldn't be able to afford it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cryin.gif
 
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