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Has anyone seen the trailer(s) for this upcoming movie? It looks like it might be one to own on DVD.
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Red Tails.....looks REALLY good
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It has the makings of a really good film, I can't wait to see it. It's a story that needs to be told (even if it's Hollywood's version of reality). 
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One of these heroes, Bertram Wilson, lived just down the road from me; he passed away in 2002. When I'd see him on his morning walk, I'd salute him as I drove to work at UConn.
<span style="font-style: italic">WILSON, BERTRAM W
LT COL US AIR FORCE
VETERAN SERVICE DATES: 12/04/1942 - 10/31/1968
DATE OF BIRTH: 09/20/1921
DATE OF DEATH: 07/09/2002
DATE OF INTERMENT: 08/06/2002
BURIED AT: SECTION 68 SITE 2063
ARLINGTON NATIONAL CEMETERY</span>
Bertram Wilson
"A poem in Professor Marilyn Nelson's collection, The Homeplace, is dedicated to Wilson. It memorializes an incident when, despite being dressed in uniform and being decorated with medals, an elderly white woman asked Wilson to carry her bags. After he had done so, she offered him a tip: "He looks down. Then he looks at me and grins. I TOOK it, too!"
Tom
<span style="font-style: italic">WILSON, BERTRAM W
LT COL US AIR FORCE
VETERAN SERVICE DATES: 12/04/1942 - 10/31/1968
DATE OF BIRTH: 09/20/1921
DATE OF DEATH: 07/09/2002
DATE OF INTERMENT: 08/06/2002
BURIED AT: SECTION 68 SITE 2063
ARLINGTON NATIONAL CEMETERY</span>
Bertram Wilson
"A poem in Professor Marilyn Nelson's collection, The Homeplace, is dedicated to Wilson. It memorializes an incident when, despite being dressed in uniform and being decorated with medals, an elderly white woman asked Wilson to carry her bags. After he had done so, she offered him a tip: "He looks down. Then he looks at me and grins. I TOOK it, too!"
Tom
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No doubt I'll see this one, one question though - did P-51's really go up against ME-262's? Somehow I have a suspicion that most of today's viewers won't understand that detail.
And here is an answer to my own question:
Most enemy jet contacts up until October 1944 had been with the rocket-powered Me 163. In that month, the Messerschmitt Me 262 began to appear in combat. The first jet kill by a Mustang was on October 7, 1944, when Lt. Urban L. Dreq of the 361st Fighter Group shot down two Me 262s while they were taking off from their base. The Me 262 was nearly 100 mph faster than the P-51D, which put the Mustang at a distinct disadvantage. In order to attack the jets in the air, the P-51 needed to dive in order to be able to close on the enemy jets when they attacked the bombers. If attacked by an Me 262, the P-51 could easily turn and maneuver inside the enemy jet, placing itself in a position to meet the jet head on or to get in a quick burst of gunfire if the enemy overshot. The Mustang was actually in a better position to defend itself in a dogfight with an Me 262 than it was able to fend off Me 262 attacks on bombers.
Eventually it was decided that the best strategy in fighting the jets was to jump them while they were taking off from or landing at their bases. The early jets had very poor acceleration and were thus extremely vulnerable during takeoff and landing. The usual tactic was for scores of Mustangs to circle high over known Me 262 bases, daring the jets to take off. If any rose to the challenge, diving Mustangs would be upon them almost before their wheels could be retracted. If the Messerschmitts refused to take the bait, the bases would be strafed and the jets would be destroyed on the ground.
source: https://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p51_10.html
And here is an answer to my own question:
Most enemy jet contacts up until October 1944 had been with the rocket-powered Me 163. In that month, the Messerschmitt Me 262 began to appear in combat. The first jet kill by a Mustang was on October 7, 1944, when Lt. Urban L. Dreq of the 361st Fighter Group shot down two Me 262s while they were taking off from their base. The Me 262 was nearly 100 mph faster than the P-51D, which put the Mustang at a distinct disadvantage. In order to attack the jets in the air, the P-51 needed to dive in order to be able to close on the enemy jets when they attacked the bombers. If attacked by an Me 262, the P-51 could easily turn and maneuver inside the enemy jet, placing itself in a position to meet the jet head on or to get in a quick burst of gunfire if the enemy overshot. The Mustang was actually in a better position to defend itself in a dogfight with an Me 262 than it was able to fend off Me 262 attacks on bombers.
Eventually it was decided that the best strategy in fighting the jets was to jump them while they were taking off from or landing at their bases. The early jets had very poor acceleration and were thus extremely vulnerable during takeoff and landing. The usual tactic was for scores of Mustangs to circle high over known Me 262 bases, daring the jets to take off. If any rose to the challenge, diving Mustangs would be upon them almost before their wheels could be retracted. If the Messerschmitts refused to take the bait, the bases would be strafed and the jets would be destroyed on the ground.
source: https://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p51_10.html
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And look what we are doing tomorrow night: https://www.taichicago.org/
This should be SO cool.
This should be SO cool.
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George Lucas was on The Daily Show last week talking about the movie. Said it took him a decade to get this movie out, largely because the production companies didn't feel there was enough market for a movie with no white heroes. An African American cast was problematic - amazing in this day and age, doubly so when we consider that even George Lucas was stymied by this. Lucas described this as an unapologetic "hero movie" and the closest thing we were ever going to see to Episode 7.
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Am I the only one who thinks this movie looks like a bigger disappointment than the new Star Wars trilogy? When I saw the trailer, I wanted to slap whoever was doing that to such a significant story.
Remember, the trailer for Pearl harbor looked amazing and we saw how that turned out. The historians walked off the set on that one! Disgraceful butchery.
Remember, the trailer for Pearl harbor looked amazing and we saw how that turned out. The historians walked off the set on that one! Disgraceful butchery.
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I had a chance to meet "Ben" Drew at a gunshow a few years back. He was selling the monogram 1/48 scale kit of "his" P51, and some signed prints. I bought one of the cheaper prints, but had a chance to chat with him for a couple of moments. Just amazing. I knew who he was before meeting him, so I was just blown away to find him standing there, no fanfare or anything, just another vendor at the show...
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Steve_S said:
I watched all the behind the scenes and making of stuff and according to that the real pilots gave the movie their blessings. They were asked to be technical advisors for the film, etc. I'll let you all know how it went after the special screening with the Chicago area Tuskeegee airmen we are going to this afternoon.
Side note, my wife and I adopted two African American kids and I am hoping that this will be a special opportunity for them to meet some courageous and positive role models. My gut says this will be a once-in-a-lifetime experience for them.
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All I can say is that I agree with the men who were actually there.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:]Historians (and critics) particularly attacked the filmmakers for grafting an entirely fictional love story onto proceedings. Indeed, some argued that the role of Welch and Taylor in the real events was actually trivialized by the addition of the love-triangle subplot ("the memory of these two real-life heroes was obliterated for the sake of a sappy fictional romantic triangle, and their actions distorted into juvenile cartoon-like antics" - Hollywood Abominations). Allegedly, Taylor himself called the film "a piece of trash; over-sensationalized and completely distorted." See these two links for more information on the Taylor and Welch debate: Washington Post; Hollywood Abominations[/QUOTE]
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:]Historians (and critics) particularly attacked the filmmakers for grafting an entirely fictional love story onto proceedings. Indeed, some argued that the role of Welch and Taylor in the real events was actually trivialized by the addition of the love-triangle subplot ("the memory of these two real-life heroes was obliterated for the sake of a sappy fictional romantic triangle, and their actions distorted into juvenile cartoon-like antics" - Hollywood Abominations). Allegedly, Taylor himself called the film "a piece of trash; over-sensationalized and completely distorted." See these two links for more information on the Taylor and Welch debate: Washington Post; Hollywood Abominations[/QUOTE]
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My friend, Frank Roberts. Could tell many stories but will only say he was a true gentle man. No longer with us but always remembered.
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