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pulling dents from hail

Hi all,

Hail dents are often a serious problem, usually a repaint of the car is the only way to properly fix them.

The "paintless repair" method works in some cases with older cars, but generally not. Your TR3 has 18 gauge mild steel body panels.

The paintless method works best with modern, thinner 22 gauge high tensile steel parts (like the front fender off my old Aerostar van, a big part that I could literally hold with 1 finger, weighed maybe 2 lbs total!).

With mild steel, heat is more likely to work to reduce stretching. Mild steel moves toward a heat source, such as a welding torch. The hotter the source, the faster and more it moves, the more shrinkage you can effect. A heat gun in front of the dent and something cold behind *might* work to some degree, but I'd be surprised if it completely removed the dent. And, there is danger of damaging paint with a heat source, of course.

With modern auto body high tensile steel, the metal moves away from a heat source. So gas welding, in particular, can be a problem because heat is applied over a fairly large area. This type of steel is also doesn't work well with a hammer. But, that's not the type of steel you are dealing with in your car.

Personally, I think the suggestions to use a hammer and dolly are your best bet, but may also need some heat to help shrink the metal. There are special types of hammers, too, that shrink metal, but these will more than likely mar the surface.

Hammering is an art and needs to be done slowly and gently. Think of it as the metal wanting to return to its original shape, and the hammering is being done to help it get there. (This is different from hammering out a fabrication piece, where you are creating a new shape.)

Before using any hammer techniques, be certain there is absolutely no undercoating or any dirt, etc. on the back side. Anything there will transfer through as a high spot on the front side, after a few taps with the hammer.

Unfortunately, many hammering techniques will stretch metal, which is the opposite of what you really need since the metal is already stretched by the hail. Working in combination with heat may be the best. You are likely looking at using heat, hammers, fillers, sanding and, finally, a repaint to really "do it right". But, you might be able to reduce the dents and make them less noticible, without going to the full extent of a repaint.

Good luck!

Alan
 
Thanks Alan, et al. You might note the date of the original post-- I've been working on the dents when weather permits and It's starting to look pretty decent-- if you're like me and think smooth primer looks better than dimply shiny red paint. You've confirmed what I've experienced-- The heat source/dry ice thing didn't work. I obviously wasn't concerned about messing up the paint and have been hammering/tapping my way across the surfaces of the car. You're right again in that big whacks end up distorting metal around the dent. So I've been hitting away with a chunk of rounded steel on the other end and bring the dents out to not quite flush level. I considered replacing the hood and trunk lid until I saw the prices... If mine ever becomes a show car, I'll go that way but since I just want a clean driver, filled dimples will do just fine. I've learned lots along the way with the help of this group. I also make a note on some of the less obvious dents that are in the car... one may not be able to feel them or see them under shop lights. Even in the sun you might have to contort yourself at different angles to peer across the surfaces. I learned (serendipity, not intelect) that by using two different colors of primer, concave and convex areas will show up with sanding. Ol' body work guys prolly have use this an others, but it helped me find glitches I couldn't see. I also learned that I have to be patient and not set deadlines because I'm tempted to take short cuts or not do the necessary prep or finishing work. Work has stopped temporarily cause my garage is not heated but hope to get the thing finished this spring. It won't necessarily be a thing of beauty by you super autobody types but I'll be pretty happy driving a smooth and shiny red TR3 /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/driving.gif
 
You might want to consider purchasing an inexpensive shrinking hammer or dolly. They have a waffled surface that will take up the stretched metal as you tap the surface. The dolly give you something to tap against and is held behind the panel. A complete DIY body hammer kit with several different hammers and dollys if around $20-25 at Harbor Freight and elsewhere. Just be sure to get one with a shrinking hammer or dolly.
The two color primer trick is a good one to use.
Good Luck! Peter
 
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