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cybertron3

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Hello everyone,

I am a big antique car fan (british cars especially). My parents have a '54 MG (I do all the work on it and drive it these days). (I will post pics later ;)).

But anyways, I have a bit of a dilemma. I have been offered an AH Sprite ('69?) for a good price (~$600). Its condition, however, is questionable. What I am wondering is, is this a good deal? I don't know much about sprites other than that I love the look.

So, deal or no deal. Here is what I know:

The current owner bought it from someone who planned on refurbishing it. He bought it from someone who planned on refurbishing it. That individual bought it while running, and in fact drove it from where he bought it to his home. He then dismantled it, and ran out of time. Our seller bought it, in pieces, and intended on refurbishing it, but ran out of time. However, he owns an auto repair shop, so that is where it has spent its time. It has been less than 1 year since the last time it ran. However, we have all of the original parts minus one window crank. The headlights are burned out, but it takes pretty standard headlights. I'm not gonna lie to you, there is some rust and body rot. However, the UGLIEST part of the car is just the cabin, because the upholstery glue is still there. Underneath the glue, the body is perfect. The e-break works fine, but locks sometimes. They have no proof that the engine or transmission work, but they did right up until they were taken out of the car, and it comes with all the original belts and everything. Also, the transmission is rebuildable. Apparently there were 2 types of sprite transmissions were available at the time, one rebulidable and one not? The glass is all intact. The chrome just needs some polish. They say the seats are even comfy! To go with the deal, one of the previous owners bought new rear and side mirrors, new license plate light fixtures, and headlight grills all in brand new never used chrome, to class it up. It all goes with the deal. The short of it is that every part that will make the car work is included. It even comes with extra parts. However it will take work to be road worthy.

The seller says: Great looking, light as a feather, built solidly. Easily hobbyable, and I've heard that with a slightly larger engine, even a standard Chevy block and some Honda civic breaks its like a [censored] race car. The front carriage has plenty of space for expansion. I'm sending some pictures. if you want any pictures of any thing specific, just let me know.

I know this is quite the hefty first post /bcforum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif but I am really excited about getting a new hobby car. What I am wondering, is if this is a good deal. Also, how much do you think it would cost to fix it up/restore it?

I have never fully restored a car before. I have done a bit of work on the MG... (replaced the fuel pump and such) and have no problem learning about how to perform this kind of operation. Any recommendations on where to start on a restore if I go forward?

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Welcome,
The body work on that car will be very expensive. It looks like a good $250 parts car. But other people have saved much poorer examples. If you feel it is 100% complete, then you might buy it and look for a more solid shell to use.
 
Welcome Cybertron,

My advice: unless you are looking for 10 year project that will ultimately cost you far more than a pristine restored, ready to drive car, stay far away from that car.

Sorry to be a downer.
 
Welcome to the site!

Bare with me as I pour out my full .02

I would try to negotiate down from the $600...if you feel comfortable doing that anyways. Might as well get yourself the best deal possible. I paid more than $600 for my '65 but it didnt have the rust issues that the one in your photos does.

I agree with finding a better shell. I think there are a couple on ebay right now that are fairly inexpensive.

Get you a print copy of the moss and victoria british catalogs. go through those and Identify what you have, what you need, and what will need to be replaced. That will be the start to your shopping list and will also help you see what its going to cost to rehab the car.

I used this info and put it into an excel spreadsheet with an additional column for what I ended up paying for the individual parts (helps keep me in line with the CFO and gauge if I am getting a better deal than what Moss or VB can give me)...this will also help you keep track of your own progress.

Haynes, Chilton, other manuals are invaluable. I bought a Chilton and Haynes manual for my car off of ebay awhile back...they were used but still complete and had some interesting notes scratched in the back...I think I got the pair for like $5.

This website, craigs list, and ebay are all good sources for parts / info.

Utilize the sponsors of this website as they can get you a pretty good deal on parts that you need.

I have alot of misc. parts that I am going to be selling here in the next few days including a 1275 w/ a webber carb and a ribcase tranny

Hope this helps.
 
Don't you hate it when someone decides to do a project, has visions of grandeur, tears it down, sometimes does some irreversible modifications, and then doesn't have time to do any more with it, leaving it in pieces half way done?

That car looks very rusty in the back and side panels. The rust work together with the work of putting it back together and I definitely think there are others better. OTOH, look at my project.

The engine, trans, disk brakes, lights, windshield etc are worth something. In other words, a parts car, but not at that price.
 
In addition, this isn't a '69 Sprite. It is a '67 or earlier as it does not have the padded dash. It does have a Rib Case Tranny so that is out of a later car. Like many Spridgets, engines and transmissions seem to migrate from car to car. Give us the VIN # and someone on this list will tell you what year the car really is.

Interior is no big deal to fix. $15.95 for a roll of carpet at Pep Boys and some 3M Spray Adhesive and you can get going or spend $300 for a precut complete carpet kit from MOSS or VB. Interior panels can be fabricated from masonite or luan plywood and covered with vinyl. All depends on your ultimate goal with this car. Seats can be recovered. Floorboards and unibody rust are the important things to look out for. All of the body panels are available, rust can be cut out new panels can be welded back in. Do you have access to a MIG Welder or know someone who ca nhelp you out?

Front end is the thing that wears out on this car. And after the engine the most expensive part to replace. Figure replacing fulcrum pins, ball joints, and other front end parts and pieces $500.00. Master Cylinders and slave cylinders are problematical when going unused and usually need fixed. Electrical connections all get green and each and every connection in the car will need to be gone through to get all of the lights and gauges working again. it is a lot of intuitive, head scratching, problem solving exercises on a daily / weekly basis to get on of these cars back on the road again. It all depends on what you want to get involved in and how much of the project do you have the time for and the money to do yourself. I agree at this point you've got a $3-400 parts car. Assuming you do most of the work yourself you've still got $1,500-$2,000 minimum in getting this one back on the road. All of the receipts for Bugsy my '68 Sprite are in a box in the corner of my garage. I've never pulled them out and added up the total. I'd be afraid to do so. But the fun this car has given me over the past 6 years I could not duplicate for 50 X's the cost.
 
$400 max........
there WILL be parts missing,
and even more that need replaced.

looks good from the front,
but that back end is baaad!
i wouldnt expect to drive it
anytime soon.....

it CAN be rebuilt..
it all depends on money and time...zimmmy
 
Thanks everyone for your help. I am going to check it out in person on Sunday. I know the current owner through a friend so I had them send me the worst pics first. (Maybe I should have had him include a few more good ones ;)). I am going with a friend of mine who helps me out with MG stuff.

I would expect this to take quite a few years to get back to good condition. Looking at moss, the body panels (the REAR APRON PANEL in particular) are not tooooo expensive. I guess my question is- how much would this car be worth after it is fixed up? I would be willing to take a small hit in the cost to get it there for the fun of working on it.

I will try to haggle down a bit too and see what I can get.
 
Plan on a total cost of about $10,000, and then it'll be worth about $5500.

But these are numbers off the top of my head.
 
Don't haggle - take 3 $100 bills & a trailer...if he doesn't take it, go home!

Its got lots of potential - its got lots of problems....& you'll not know what they all are until you try to put that puzzle back together!
 
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thats actually how I bought mine. Wish i had only taken $300 with me though /bcforum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif
 
Three hundred is more than enough.
 
Understand, were you in the parts business, there's the potential for some profit that would make it a more valuable car...however, that means shelving parts, disassembling/checking parts, shipping parts....& then getting rid of the old hulk.
 
tony barnhill said:
Its got lots of potential - its got lots of problems....& you'll not know what they all are until you try to put that puzzle back together!
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That's also how I started back in 1972. With a TR4 though ($250), then the Bugeye ($260), (then a TR3, Jag MkII, Jag E-type,TR6 various Sprites and Midgets, etc. etc. etc.... ad infinitum)

But, I learned Waayyyy more than I could have learned at a trade school, and it was loooooots of fun. /bcforum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/banana.gif
 
racingenglishcars said:
That's also how I started back in 1972. With a TR4 though ($250), then the Bugeye ($260), (then a TR3, Jag MkII, Jag E-type,TR6 various Sprites and Midgets, etc. etc. etc.... ad infinitum)

And that's pretty impresive knowing you managed to stick to that budget with all your cars /bcforum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/jester.gif
 
i think it could be a daily driver for under
$3000....
jack has a near perfect car, which probably
WOULD cost $10000,....

goto ebay to see what itll be worth....zimmmy
 
But Jack is not going to total up the little slips, no way.
 
Incidentally, all of the Spridgets had the rib case gearbox from 1963 on up. Only the 948 cars came with the smooth case box.
Jeff
 
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