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Mitsubishi did in fact build airframes and aircraft engines, but it is interesting to note that the A6M Zero was powered by a Sakai engine manufactured by Nakajima which was their rival aircraft manufacturer. Mitsubishi just simply did not have an engine suitable for the Zero airframe. However, I guess Mitsubishi had the last laugh in that Nakajima was ordered to build Zero's as well during the war.

Most everyone knows that the Zero was very manueverable compared to the American aircraft, and that has alot to do with its lightweight structure. The main reason it was manufactured to be so light in weight was so that it could travel long distances by burning less fuel. I believe it was probably the first long range fighter airplane. Also I believe that the raw materials were hard to obtain so they couldn't afford to waste material.

Most people probably think that the Japanese pilot was expendable because there was no armor plating in the airplane. However, the airplane did have a rollover structure to protect the pilot which also doubled as a headrest. Also, in the aft portion of the fuselage there was a large rubberized canvas bag used as a flotatation device. Sections of each wing were sealed to be used as flotation devices as well. Apparently with those long distance flights several Zero's ran out of gas and had to ditch into the water.

When it comes to the Zero being superior to the American aircraft we are definately not talking about the quality of construction. I had the privelage of being involved with a A6M3-22 Zero restoration and let me tell you, American airplanes were constructed far superior to the Japanese Zero. While working on the Zero I met a Japanese individual that was forced to work at the Mitsubishi factory when he was 12 years old. He told us that the working conditions were horrendous. If you passed out on the assembly line from malnutrition, you were beaten. From looking at the airplane's poor workmanship, it shows.

Anyways, I guess that all of the emblems (BMW, Mercedes Benz, Mitsubishi) look good spinning in a hub cab because they never look like they are upside down once you park!
 
Joe:

Did you work on the Zero that was found in Alaska?
 
A Zero was found in Alaska? When did this happen? I knew about the firebomb balloons, and the sub that was supposed to have gotten close, but I never heard about the Zero.
 
I know a P-38 was found somewhere in Greenland or some other such place but don't know of any Zero found in Alaska...

...the "100 Mile War" battlefield out in the Aleutians hasn't been touched since WWII & nobody is allowed on it without express written approval.
 
<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr> I like my answer better.
...consider it an homage to the famous Cliff Claven Jeopardy answer "Who are three people who have never been in my kitchen?"
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Yeah. I thought lawguy's original answer was hilarious - had me laughing out loud - and I thought of the same Cliff Claven quote when I read it.

Also reminded me of when I was in Berlin a few years ago with a Brit that walked up to the hotel desk, pointed to an area of central Berlin on a map and said "Do you have a map that shows this area blown up a bit"?
 
Mr. 65T, the Zero that I worked on was actually parts and pieces from about 3 Zero's that were recovered from the New Guinea islands. We rebuilt the aft fuselage and then, unfortunately, everything was sent to Russia to be finished at the Yakovlev factory. The amazing thing is, not only did the Zero get restored, but 2 more Zero's were built in Russia after the Museum's restoration. In keeping with the spirit of poor workmanship, the Russians did a smashing job!

If you have ever seen the recent movie Pearl Harbor, of the 3 Zero's used in the filming of the movie, I was personally involed with 2 of them. One was the Museums that I was involved with the aft fuselage restoration. The other one, which was built in Russia, was heavily damaged in the center section during shipping. I did the structural repair and then we installed a Pratt and Whitney 1830. We got that airplane ready to go to Hawaii with 3 days to spare!
 
"Glacier Girl" is the P-38 found in Greenland, under two hunnert odd feet of ice. There are another four Lightnings as well as a pair of B-17s in the same location. "Glacier Girl" is the only one that's been removed, and is likely to, but it has been restored to flying condition. There's a book called "The Lost Squadron" detailing the crashed airplanes as well as the removal of the P-38. As for Zeroes, I think one was pulled from the Aleutians some time ago, or else from Russian territory in the same area.
-William
 
Salutes! first Rg's Triumph is an absolute beaute.That ackowledged, the direction and information provided about the fighters and aircraft design, well,although I would like to get into this more, I cannot because I was an ass and let my dear Father with his wealth of knowledge about these times in his 25 years in the Airforce die within the stupidity of a local hospital. They declaring Him dead while still breathing without a respirator.he would have loved this discussion and could have provided what I cannot.
 
I saw one of your Zeros at a Confederate Air Force show in Houston several years ago. Fabric control surfaces, and lap riveted skin on the fuselage. My dad was a sheet metal mechanic for the AAF in the CBI theater, and he said they would have been ashamed of the riveting technique.
 
Bob Diemart of Carmen Manitoba restored a Zero here many years ago.He even flew it int he movie Pearl Harbour.It was sold to the US marine museum.Bob also met the designer of the Zero.He has resored many of the world war 2 planes.His tales of how he got some of thes would make a great movie.He has been in many strange places aquiring them.His shop and projects are simply amazing.He even has this enormous flat bed trailer.If the load is too heavy he can start the motor in this trailer and shift it into gear by remote from the tow truck.
He has sold his Jawker Hurricane to the US as well.Last project I saw was a 3/4 Mustang.I did ask why 3/4 and he replied that was all the space he had available to build the wing.
Every couple of years the classic car club is invited out to tourIt is a real treat.
 
The awesome Merlin did indeed power the Hurricanes, as well as the Spitfires, Wellingtons, Defiants, Lancasters, Halifaxes , and Mosquitos.

They were also made under license in the US by Packard for use in Mustangs.


PC.
 
The RR Merlin also powered the Avro Lancastrian (a Lancaster bomber adapted to airliner), Avro Tudor and Canadair Northstar (DC-4M) airliners.
Some late Mks of Spitfires (and the Spitfire follow-on the Spiteful) used the even more powerful RR Griffon.
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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by PC:
The awesome Merlin did indeed power the Hurricanes, as well as the Spitfires, Wellingtons, Defiants, Lancasters, Halifaxes , and Mosquitos.

They were also made under license in the US by Packard for use in Mustangs.


PC.
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The Merlin engine transformed the P-51 Mustang. The original Allison engine didn't have enough power, and got worse as the altitude increased.

With a couple of drop tanks, the P-51 flying fuel tank could now escort the bombers deep into German territory. The combination of an excellent airframe with an excellent engine made the Mustang a great WWII fighter.

A wonderful example of cooperation between two nations.
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