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Modern [Burlen] SU fuel pumps

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I bought a reproduction AZX 1331 SU pump a couple of years ago and it looks well built and fairly authentic. After less than ten hours use it started making odd noises so I removed the top cap and was greeted by a strong smell of petrol and a set of dirty looking points.
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I contacted Burlen Fuel Systems about these two issues and after several emails went unanswered I rang them and they sent another set of points (my cost).

The original points were perfectly serviceable but I replaced them anyway and subsequently discovered the cause of the noise was that the factory-set points gap was far too small so as the diaphragm descended, instead of snapping sharply closed, the points just wandered closed and bounced around during the contact phase. This was the source of the odd scrunching noise I was hearing. There is a little tag on the end of the points plate which sets the gap (B in the diagram below) and after bending this up I got a decent snap shut of the points. The Burlen factory had left the gap at around 0.040. The pump operation is now much slower because the stroke is over twice as long which should equal longer life.
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The second issue was the fuel smell which I discussed with Burlen and they offered a replacement diaphragm at my cost since it was conveniently out of warranty. There is nothing wrong with the original diaphragm that I can see apart from appearing to be badly engineered. The original SU diaphragm is a multi-layered affair with plastic and rubber layers to prevent fuel getting to the other side. The reproduction diaphragm is a single piece cut from a sheet of fabric-reinforced rubber and IMO is allowing fuel to pass through it via osmosis. This seems to be a fairly good fire hazard- fuel vapor in an enclosed space with sparking points.

Questions:
1) Is anyone else using a modern SU pump and hearing a "scrunch-scrunch-scrunch" noise which reverts to normal operation, only to do it again half a minute later?

2) Has anyone replaced a diaphragm with the modern single-layer one and then checked for fuel smell inside the pump?

Andy.
 
Andy

I bought an electronic fuel pump from Burlen 6 years or more ago and I have no problems with it at all. I also had to buy a new top for the float chamber on the HS6's as one of the hinge tangs had broken on the poly float ( you can not get replacements for them now) and I ended up buying two - one for spare. I did try the two of them and one leaked so badly that I put the old top back on. I have now rebuilt the engine and decided to give the replacement top a go again and it works perfectly, grit in the valve I suppose.

:cheers:

Bob
 
They last for years as long as they have a diode across the points to stop the sparking. However many racers prefer Facet pumps because they are more reliable.

Having said that I rebuilt the SU pump on my Bentley back in the nineties, put a diode across the points and it's still working.
 
Just a thought, but a fuel filter between pump and tank is a good plan. It's amazing how much crap comes from old tanks and what it does to pumps
 
Thanks Bob. I guess with an electronic conversion you'd have no reason to go sniffing under the top cap to see if the diaphragm is letting petrol through. I'm more curious to find out if the diaphragm material they are using is letting fuel through on all repro pumps or whether mine is unusual.

The points issue is just a quality control problem at their factory. Out of the packet, the adjustment tag on the points only gives a small opening gap and nobody took the time to set it up properly. Despite these issues I'm still keeping the points. I think part of the Healey's personality is in the fuel pump and its wish-me-luck approach to operation. No doubt others will disagree there.

EV- my tank is newly reskinned and has had sealer applied so no trash inside. General consensus with SU pumps is that a fine filter before the pump is asking for a burned out coil. There is already a very effective sieve filter in the pump housing.

Andy.
 
Dave DuBois converted a points pump for me a few months ago. I had just put new points in it and they were a little burned after only a couple hundred miles. Dave said the points didn't 'look right'--they appeared to be made of silver or similar instead of tungsten. Dave was going to inform the supplier (Moss). Unfortunately, one of Dave's conversions failed on me after about 4K miles ... nothing is bulletproof.
 
Knowing that SU pump aren't bulletproof -I have added a FACET pump -in the other side - with a switch at 3 positions
on SU- OFF- on FACETIMGP0758.jpg recently due my thirsty WEBER Mod. I have changed the square type, to a FACET can type- it is nearest to bulletproof and economic -a big fuel filter before assure clean fuel to the system - SU are on place, but I never connect it, I have only tested it, and it works
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