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Kurt Tanner 100-4 on ebay

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I believe this car was for sale at the Seattle All British Field Meet this summer by owner for ~$40k. I'm sure there's someone in the Seattle area that can confirm. Tanner is advertising it as a full restoration, but unless its a poor photo the frame rail paint looks very dull. His ad makes you think its a true factory Lemans, but corrected himself with an additional statement added at a later date.

https://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110778935957
 
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Without looking at it in person, I would say that it is a lovely and striking example, done in fabulous colors and with that hardtop, a very, very nice Healey with Le Mans kit.

Current high bid is $60k with less than a day to go, and if that holds someone appears to be getting a great car at a very good price. I'd call it definitely under-priced at $60k.

The seller has listed the engine number as the VIN, but no matter (I hope). From the number I would guess that it was built in January 1956.

(All of that said, it is slightly unfortunate that the seller is calling it a 100M, which it is not. See thread near the top of this board titled, "What is (and isn't) a 100M?"
 
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I agree with Reid, it should not be called a "100M" but a BN2 LeMans. Kurt Tanner does wonderful work on Healey's and many consider him the best out there, but he should know not to refer to this BN2 as a 100M. Still says it can be called a 100M in his added statement, but what the hey, he has done a lot of good for the Healey world with his cars getting such great press at BJ auctions and such and increased all of our values along the way. Of course that is a double edge sword for those looking to buy a Healey now !! Surprised it is over his reserve at $60,000, be interesting to see what it finally sells for.
Regards,
Mike
 
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That's a great looking hard top. The one on Ebay now is nice, (wish I had one!) but this one is the best looking one I have seen. Was this a Universal Laminates?
 
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TodE said:
That's a great looking hard top. The one on Ebay now is nice, (wish I had one!) but this one is the best looking one I have seen. Was this a Universal Laminates?
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I don't think it's a Universal top. It looks more like a Parish/Smoothline Top. Possible Astro top??
 
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I think this looks nice, but Kurt Tanner put too big a radius of a curve on the front of the swage line. It looks like a 6-cyl curve. On the BN2s they did two tone, the little curve at the front had a pretty small radius. Being a Healey guy it doesn't look right to me.
 
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Legal Bill said:
It didn't sell as well as you might think. Here it is, listed again:

https://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1956-Aust...=item19cb5fcdf0

I'm guessing the buyer backed out when he figured out this is not a 100M.

Can someone explain how the 100M registry works? Tanner says this car is actually registered with the 100M registry. will they register any car that has been converted?
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Bill,

It's actually the "100M LeMans Registry" which will register 100Ms as well as cars with LeMans modifications without regard to date when the modifications were made: 100M LeMans Registry
 
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There are two levels of registry certification: 'owner-certified,' which requires only a BMIHT certificate, and 'registry-certified,' which requires supporting evidence. We had a long discussion on this forum a while back, and (largely) agreed that only one of the 640 (+/-) cars modified at the factory and sold as '100M' should be called '100M.' Anything else is properly referred to as a '100 LeMans' or, more properly, a '100 with LeMans modifications.' I believe this is consistent with the Registry's philosophy.

I find it a bit curious that Tanner states in the description that 'I am not presenting this car as a factory-built genuine 100-M,' but he uses the terms '100-M' and '100M' prominently in the eBay posting, including in the main title.
 
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Perhaps I am being a tad thinned skin but to refer to the car as a 100M or a 100-M causes me to cry foul. I think it is misleading and it should be clearly defined as a 100 with LeMans modifications. IMHO
 
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Reading his ebay ad he clearly states what the car is and I see no attempt to bait someone into thinking its a "factory" 100M. He tells exactly what it is and what has been done to it for him to call it a 100M. He can call it whatever he wants to in my opinion . Just because the registry calls it one thing doesn't mean he has to. I'm sure any reasonable person who is in the market for one of these particular models can appreciate his presentation. Lighten up and wish him the best. It looks like a great car.
 
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The auction header says '100-M' and '100M' right at the top (first row header). If that's not calling it a '100M' then what is? Just because he clarifies it in the 'fine print' doesn't mean it isn't misleading. I think the theory that the previous apparent sale fell through because someone felt mislead is credible. What's galling to me is Tanner clearly knows the difference--and says so in the fine print--but continues to advertise as a '100M,' so he'll get hits from search engines.

The debate between what is a '100M' and what is a '100 with LeMans modifications' has been pretty much settled. There's enough of a distinction that there has been several well-known instances of counterfeiting; including one rebuilder who 'fished' for certifications from the BMIHT. They should not be used interchangeably; like it or not there's an almost 100% difference in value between the two.
 
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Nice car! Looking at it's pics, has same valve cover that I have for my '53 BN1. Haven't seen many of those,got mine off a '55 before I sold her 30 years ago! cheers Genos
 
I also think this is odd in the listing:

"<span style="font-weight: bold">It is understood</span> that all mechanical components were overhauled or rebuilt..."

What exactly does that mean? Somebody told him that was done or he knows for a fact it was done? Vague...
 
Yea the whole ad is suspect, I can tell that the strap for the bonnet is on the 2nd hole of the buckle on the driver's side but is actually only on the first hole of the buckle on the passenger side ! The fact that its not disclosed makes me wonder what else he's hiding.
 
I believe this car is NOT a "Tanner restoration" but just a car he bought to resell?

Is my thinking correct?

I have always referred to my car as a 100 Le Mans or a 100 with Le mans modifications.

Never used the term 100-4. There was never a car built with that name and it has always puzzled me how it has stuck over the years.

Just a few thoughts:

Pete
 
Brinkerhoff said:
Yea the whole ad is suspect, I can tell that the strap for the bonnet is on the 2nd hole of the buckle on the driver's side but is actually only on the first hole of the buckle on the passenger side ! The fact that its not disclosed makes me wonder what else he's hiding.
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Good point. Glad you're catching on.
 
"Understood" here is a legal ruse to protect the seller. Caveat emptor, let the buyer beware.
 
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