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saabmp3

saabmp3

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Hey all,
So I picked up what I know is a Datsun 210 tranny a couple days ago. Now I'm trying to identify which one it is. I got it for a lark, and it's just been rebuilt. I want to know if it's the 5speed (which I think it is) or the 4.

Tranny Photo (I'll post a bigger picture later).

I'm comparing it to Rivergate's page. Here's my info checklist:

60 on bellhousing - 5speed good
drain plug going out rear, not bottom - pre 1980 (I think it came out of a 1979 B210 wagon)
F not in serial number - confused

Anyone else want to take a stab at identifying it? It came without a shifter, so I can't just go shifting through all the gears yet. Will do that soon. It sure does look exactly like the 1979 5speed. Oh yeah, it was rebuilt less than 1000 miles ago /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif, then the car got wrecked.

Ben
 
I think it is the four speed version, but it has been several years since I was looking at them. Just call rivergate and ask them.
 
Hmm, what makes you say that Trevor?

I've done a little research today. The 60 stands for the series. That narrows it down to the FS5W60L, FS5W60A or the F4W60L. The 4-5 stands for gears.

Next, the drain plug. Being in the back, that indicates that it is either the FS5W60L or the F4W60L. The L stands for dog-leg shifting.

Still looking into it.

Ben
 
I was thinking that the F in the number indicated it was a 5-speed. Hmmm, Can't you shift it with a screw driver?
 
Just to show how difficult it is to identify a 5-speed I will TRY to attach some pictures of a 4-speed next to a 5-speed. The 5-speed still has the Datsun rear trans mount attached
Bill
 

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Bill
 

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I tried shifting it with various tools, I could only get it into 2 gears, so that's not going to work as a good way to ID it.

Bill, I've seen a breakdown schematic of the 60 and it says that there should be a Neutral safety switch, reverse light switch, OD sensor and possibly a top gear sensor. Any of these on either of those?

Ben
 
They both have 3 connectors. I just don't remember what they are except the reverse switch (which is naturally the only one you CAN'T have in the Spridget set-up). Maybe this weekend if you want to come up we can try it with one of my shifter handles.
Bill
 
Alright, I think I see the difference. The rear case is extended slightly for the 5 speed model. This is really the only difference that I can see in the photo's. I'm assuming this is to make room for the extra gear.

Well, mine has this extended part as well. Does anyone else see this? I'll highlight it if people think I'm crazy.

Ben
 
On the shifting, you do realize that the whole assembly (that holds the shifter) rotates. I distinctly remember shifting these with a scredriver. I'm guessing you are selecting 3/4. Assuming normal H pattern.
 
Oh, and please highlight the different part. I'm not sure I'm seeing what you see.
 
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On the shifting, you do realize that the whole assembly (that holds the shifter) rotates. I distinctly remember shifting these with a scredriver. I'm guessing you are selecting 3/4. Assuming normal H pattern.

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Ok, I wrote this out, but then lost it. Oh well, here it is again.

I did realize that the whole assembly moved, but I didn't have it in neutral when I tried to rotate it (I thought I did, it was a long day). I went out there and gave it a 1 minute try before work this morning, I can now get it into 5 gears: (this drawing is after adjusting for and inverse natures)
My Gears: Dog Leg Pattern: Standard Pattern:
x-0-0 || R-2-4 || 1-3-5
0-0-0 || 1-3-5 || 2-4-R

Now everything I read yesterday indicates that this is a dog leg shift patter, because of the location of the drain plug. Is there a method to get it into reverse? Maybe I didn't push it hard enough. Is 1st dead? I'm going to try rotating the shaft to see what ratio's I have when I get home today, that'll tell me if I have reverse atleast (and an overdrive).

I'm attatching a picture of the difference that I see. Maybe somebody else will notice it when I post.

Ben
 

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Oh, now I see it. I'm still not sure. Just find the highest gear and see if you get more than one turn on the output when the input is turned once.
 
I'm glad that you noticed that- I didn't. My photography is not very good but looks like it worked!
Bill
 
Alright, I win the prize. It is indeed the 5 speed dog leg shift pattern 60. I verified the overdrive today (by spinning the input shaft and watching the output shaft turn faster). There are also 5 forward gears, all tested.

Now, I can't, for the life of me, get it into reverse. Tricks? Do you have to force it? It's going to be weird having reverse where 1st is.

Ben
 
I'd just wait until you get a shifter then it will be easier to determine.
 
Nice find!

As for reverse, might be one of those pull up or push down for reverse deals. Like trevor said, invest in a shifter and see what you can make it do...
 
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