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GT6 Feeling out the 1970 GT6 I bought...

Zackb911

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I finally got the 1970 GT6+ I bought off a guy in SC that I found on triumphspitfire.com. When I first got it I was a bit dissapointed, It has freshly rebuilt carbs from Apple Hydrolics but they arent tuned, or synced. Coming off the transport it was idling 2500-3000 rpm, smelling really rich, and leaking puddles of fuel out of the not-tightened fuel pump. Both of those were solved quickly though.


Questions:
1. The emmision valve that goes from the valve cover to intake manifold isnt hooked up, I have the valve but not the lines, should I re affix it?
2. Anyone know someone in my neck of the woods to get the idle and carbs addressed?
3. On the miata seats whats the best way of installing for the GT6 floorplan, does it differ much from in a TR6?


I'm one of those critical people that see the "details". If you guys have any tips, links, insight, etc please pass it on. It is driveable now which is nice but I really need to start attacking this ever growing list.

Here are some pics:

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Zack
 
i think that you are being a little too critical of it. GT6's are beautiful cars.
 
Without a doubt they are very beautiful, in fact one of my favorite cars of all time, that is why I had been casually looking for one over the past couple years. It's the present condition of this car that is dissapointing to me, I do realize it is a 37 y.o. car...

If there is anyone relatively local that would like to meet up or lend some knowledge let me know!

Zack
 
Without going into a lot of detail at the moment, I suspect that some of the seemingly "major" problems really aren't. It's possible, for example, that much of the idle problem is related to the disconnected PCV valve, brakes might only need adjusting, or perhaps pads and / or shoes need replacing due to glazing, etc., etc. (NOTE: brakes were never THE strong point of a GT6, but properly functioning, they are really quite good.)

Not sure WHAT'S going on with the rear lamps, though. /bcforum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif Hopefully the backup light lamp base is intact under whatever that silly thing is there now, and hopefully you can just replace those white-lens flashers with proper amber lenses?

Suspension and drivetrain is a bit more complicated, especially compared to a Spitfire. As someone else pointed out, it's 37 years old; who knows what (if anything) has ever been done to the suspension. At worst, you might need to rebush everything and replace ball joints, tie rod ends, u-joints and Rotoflex couplings, steering rack bushes and perhaps various and sundry steering column bushings. Lots of work...but you'll likely only have to do it once!

In the photo, the dash doesn't really look that bad; FWIW, they were matte finish back then.

Any idea what the current color is? Looks sort of like the later Carmine Red, but it's hard to tell. (What's the original paint code number?)
 
Zack, if you want a somewhat cleaner look to the rear end, you can remove those huge turn signal and backup lights, along with the rubber plinths, and go to the standard beehive style. The big lamps were only for the US market.
You can do the same on the front.
I changed my MkI over to the European spec lamps and think it looks much better.
Jeff
 
hey zach, if you need a hand with something let me know, im local to you (east greenwich r.i.) for now. i leave to go to st louis the end of the month but i dont mind lending a hand if you need one.
Randy
 
well zach, i just fixed an idle problem on my fhc that turned out to be nothing more than a partially plugged fuel filter!? causing me to turn the idle adjust up to compensate for the lack of available fuel at idle rpm.
 
I would have snapped that one up - I'm sure that you got a great deal too. Looks good from the pics but all cars need attention IMO (perfectionist here too1).

If you were close to Maine, I can help. But I might have to keep the car since I have been lusting after a GT6 lately.
 
Zach,
I think whenever we buy a car with just photos, we are rooting for a concours winning car to be delivered. I was disappointed in my car when it arrived in May, but I quickly got over that. It runs well, and can be improved over time. As I learn more, or can afford more, the car will improve. Until then, it looks fine at the occasional car show, and is fun to take out on country roads.

Enjoy the Ride!
 
I am pretty sure my next car will be a GT6, esp an early one. The rear half with all the seperate lights is my favorite part. I am also liking the Sunbeam IMP, I Must be crazy. The 6 is a fun car to drive, sounds great, rides decent and most of all, easy to work on.
 
Brooklands said:
Zach,
I think whenever we buy a car with just photos, we are rooting for a concours winning car to be delivered. I was disappointed in my car when it arrived in May, but I quickly got over that. It runs well, and can be improved over time. As I learn more, or can afford more, the car will improve. Until then, it looks fine at the occasional car show, and is fun to take out on country roads.

Enjoy the Ride!

I think you're right, I've had my expectations exceeded on some cars and let down on others. I got it for a very fair price regardless, I was just hoping It was a steal...

To be honest I'm up in the air if this will be the right GT6+ for me. I am contemplating selling it for what I've spent thus far ($5150) and holding out for something that has already had a frame off restoration, all be it twice the price.

I'm just a younger guy with Law School around the corner, an older house I'm working on, and other things demanding my time. Unfortunatly tinkering, despite it being fairly little things, isn't justified at the moment... /bcforum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/rolleyes.gif

Zack

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Sounds like there are a few guys in this thread that will take it off your hands.
 
Well if anyone is interested let me know. For the time being I'm going to register it and get the title in my name, when I get the title back I should have some of the things addressed and it detailed so who know whether I'll keep her or send it to eBay.

Zack
 
Zackb911 said:
Problems:

1. Brakes are weak, firm pedal feel but little braking power.
2. E-Brake doesn't hold well

The brakes should feel good.

The E-brake should hold very well, so that's a place to start. Check the adjusters on the rear drums. That not only affects the E-brake, but the hydraulic brakes on the rear. If the brake adjusters are where they should be but the E-brake is still weak, check the cables for stretching/slack/incorrect assembly, etc.

You'll basically be doing a complete brake inspection. Check the brake pads front & rear for good depth, the discs & drums for good thickness, look for leaks. If the car has been sitting up, the disc & drum surfaces may have rusted & will slowly get better if not cleaned up. Also, old brake fluid feels mushy, so if it looks like even no cylinders need to be rebuilt, the brake fluid should be flushed & replaced.

I can't remember if the GT6+ has a brake PDWA, but if so, check that it works (short the wires leading to the switch on the PDWA to see if the dash light comes on. If it doesn't, fix that electrical problem so you can read the state of the PDWA.

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6. Idle is high and a tad rough, I cant get it to idle well below 1200rpm (Going to looking into timing & the carbs will need "real" tuning)
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Also check for vacuum leaks. Check all the vacuum lines from the carbs to the distributor, etc. After you get everything else checked & sorted out best as possible, bear in mind that in its 30 or so years the car may have picked up a performance cam that won't idle well down around 850-900. With the leaking, etc. that you mentioned, it sounds more likely that the issues will center around the carbs. Check the plugs for running rich, etc. Even if the carbs were rebuilt by a specialist, the previous owner may have futzed with the mixture, the bleed screw (CDSE's, right?), bozoed the termostatic valve, the choke mechanism may be sticking, etc.

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9. Some heater lines not hooked up,
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I'd go after those early. One line goes through the intake manifold to warm the mixture, & will affect idle. Also you'll find out if the heater core is leaking or something.

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no horn, no radio,
Do yourself a favor, & make a day of going under the dash with the electrics. Take the driver's seat out (good time to look at the condition of the seat sliders & lube them, put them back in with stainless screws, use the bench grinder to make a point on them like the original screws). The rat's nest of wiring behind & under the dash is actually typical for cars of the era.

Get a package of small cable ties. Disconnect each switch/instrument one at a time & trace the wires back to the harness, straighten the wires, & cable tie them together every few inches from the harness to the termination. This will group the wires to the headlight switch separately, wires to the windshield washer switch separately, the wires to the fuel gauge separately, etc., & will make troubleshooting & maintenance MUCH easier.

11. Various rubber bushings look pretty dead, need to examine rest of suspension too.

It could easily have the original suspension rubber on it. Most importantly check the rotoflex bushings for good healthy rubber look: no cracks, hardening, etc. If those go while in operation, it's a disaster.

As for choices, many companies sell complete front & rear kits for the suspension with metal bushings, rubber, etc. An alternative is to get polyurethane bushings & the other pieces separately. Polyurethane bushes last longer & have a firmer feel. The drawback is that they may be *too* firm, & I've heard reports that some sets for the GT6 are too firm/harsh/rigid for a daily driver (even the crank 'em down Koni crowd). However, Chris Witor sells polyurethane bushes in 2 different grades of firmness, I've heard folks that have installed the less hard set are extremely pleased with them for daily driving. I'll be going with those when I do my upcoming suspension rebuild. https://www.chriswitor.com/

When doing the suspension rebuild, the best approach really is to buy junkyard suspension parts (wishbones, hubs, radius rods, etc.), disassmble, clean them, paint them, build them up as much as possible, then just swap them onto the car. Watch for bargains on eBay, etc. Take the originals, disassemble them & put them in a couple of file boxes for the next rebuild or some road catastrophe.

The biggest hazard in these rebuilds is time burning up while problems are encountered, the car is not only undriveable, but a problem on jackstands, waiting for parts, solving problems, etc. By just swapping, you solve almost all the problems before the installation, & you can do at the slowest & laziest a side a day, & the car is not out of commission for more than a few hours.

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12. Windshield washer switch/pump isnt pumping fluid.

While you're under the dash tidying the electrics, disconnect the water lines to the pump, stick on some new tubing, & see if it will suck from a bottle of water. It may take a few pumps to get it up into the switch. If it works OK, the solution is as easy as new washer line, tees, cleaning nozzles, etc.

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I can't remember now if the GT6+ is the same as the Mk3, but on the Mk3 you pull the knob out to the desired amount of choke, then turn the knob about 1/4 turn to hold it there.

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Make sure the black braces under the column are bolted up, & the radio surround piece over the transmission hump is in place & bolted to the floor & bottom of the dash.

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Questions:
1. The emmision valve that goes from the valve cover to intake manifold isnt hooked up, I have the valve but not the lines, should I re affix it?
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The problem here is that if the hole for the emission valve hose in the intake manifold isn't occupied, it's a big vacuum leak. That connection should be connected correctly, or at least blocked. It's best if it's got the emissions valve in place (don't block the hole in the valve cover, at least just but a piece of cloth over it, blowby has got to go somewhere).
 
Zackb911 said:
1. Brakes are weak, firm pedal feel but little braking power.
2. E-Brake doesn't hold well
Just because I didn't see anyone else mention this : Contaminated shoes/pads can also cause that. Only cure is to replace them. If you see anything on the pads/shoes that looks the least bit greasy or oily, replace them and wash the drums/rotors thoroughly with solvent before deglazing them.
rotoflex said:
[(don't block the hole in the valve cover, at least just but a piece of cloth over it, blowby has got to go somewhere).
/bcforum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/iagree.gif If you don't provide somewhere for it to go, it will blow oil out past all the seals.

I would suggest at least a length of heater hose on the fitting, to hang down near the ground. That way, it will apply the automatic oiling to the undercarriage, rather than your engine compartment /bcforum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif
 
I'll inspect the brakes when I get a chance, right now my tiling of my kitchen floor is keeping me busy. The rotoflex couplings were indeed replaced and the valve cover hole has a breather on it. The manifold connection is plugged and capped...

I also noticed the vacuum advance line on the back of the distributor is capped. I'm not sure where it is supposed to go. The front fitting goes to the fron carb though...

Zack
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The one on the back is the vacuum retard line. IMO, leave it capped. But I believe in 1970, it would have gone to a port on the underside of the rear carb, near or in the manifold flange.

I've got a copy of the factory TSB detailing the emission controls for 1970, but at 1Mb it's too big to post on the forum. PM me your email address if you'd like a copy.
 
Get rid of that sucker;It sounds like you have a 'DEATH WISH' Do it before you wind up a highway pancake.The more you dislike it the chance something BIG is going to happen
 
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