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As a engine/carb rebuilder at Acme Speed Shop I build some race engines, some street engines. Alot of the street people I end up building a engine for come to me with big appetite, they at first want all the bells and whistles, but normally when they see what such a engine cost, they tend to scal e back a good bit. It seems the recipe I been doing most for the 1275 street customet is the following.

Labor
Caustic clean block
Bore cylinders
Line bore block if needed replace main studs or bolts
replace oil galley plugs with removeable NPT plugs
Crank sevice: magnaflux, straight check, index grinding and polish.
Recondition connecting rods with new rod bolts (mostly ARP)
clean, bead blast, re paint if painted all engine add on and tin work.
Cam bearings replaced
Cylinder head: pressure check, bead blast and clean, multi angle valve job, seats if needed, replace guides if needed, etc.
Clean block again, caustic wash and hot water wash.
Paint block before assembly separate, just like done on all other paintable engine components, so you don't get that painted all over after built look.
Assembly
There are other items, but that's the bulk of it on labor. Like all engines are bluprinted as for as all clearences go.

New Parts:
oversized piston set, I like AE 21253, its a good strong piston. They only cost a little bit more than the other offerings.
King, ACL or vandervell bearing, I only use tri metal bearing in everything I build, I dodge the aluminum bearings as if they were a STD /bcforum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif
oil pump
APT cam and lifters, expensive yes, but not a place to skimp, worth every penny they charge
Some sort of adjustable timing gear set, either the multi key crank sproket set or a real vernier set if budget allows, I given up on offset keys.
ARP rod bolts on all A-series engne, this is a weird one if you order new 1275 rod bolts and nut (a freaking nylock in a 1275) they cost more than a new set of ARP rod bolts, so thats a no brainer as far as I'm concerned /bcforum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif
Of course the best gaskets, i alway use the good payne conersion set with the rubber oil pan pieces, again worth the extra money.
pilot bushing
water pump
Head stud and manifold studs kits
new grade 8 hardware everywhere else
head parts as needed
There more parts on some motors such,but agin that;s the bulk of it.

Ok that recipe is a good overall rebuild engine with some power gains from slightly raised compression and cam choice. Without shipping this is a $3500+/- engine for a A series. This is the recipe most choose based on budget.

Every once in a while you get a guy on the street who lets you do it performance wise right. Thats exactly the customer I got yesterday. He's very knowledgeable about what is availabe, he restored several cars in his past, show winners and this time his project is pretty serious killer 62 Sprite hot rod. I know this guy well enough to know this is going to be a very serius hot rod car. he's putting Tilton pedal and master cylinder in it like we do on the race car, Aeroquip hoses, he going with custom race seat and a trick aluminum fabricated dash with all Autometer guages, brake upgrades, suspension upgrade, 5 speed tranny, the list go on an on. Anyway he allowed me a very nice engine budget, so I somewhat thrilled I get to do what is going to be a real serious 1275 street motor, Winner circle oil pan, ARP fastners thru out, ported head, trick valves and springs, roller rockers, vernier timing gear set, balancing etc., etc.

So it looks to be a fun project, and I plan on keeping you guys informed along the way of the build, it is sheduled for fall/winter at the shop.
 
Neet, big boys and their toys.
 
Hap,

Great information. Glad you've got a project that looks like fun.
 
Hap you've answered the questions most of us have for you. Probably the one asked most often. How much does it cost to do it right. Thanks for the info.
 
Cool Hap! Keep us posted and take lots of photos! I love engine porn.
 
Hap, Two questions. Who has the multi slot timing sets in stock? I've had one on order for a couple of months and am still waiting. I've got a SPVP6 cam to time and offset keys won't do it. Trying to avoid the added expense of the vernier set. Also, which Tilton pedal set do you use? I horse traded for some parts last weekend and ended up with a set. Now I need to see if they'll fit.
 
Sounds like the motor APT is building for me, just add a belt drive for the accessories, and hand worked SU's. I bet your delivery time won't slip 7 months either!!! The 1st due date was Jan. 1....Good thing I still have to build the car.
 
I still need to call you, Hap, but that sure does look like a nice build for what I'm looking for. I'm sure you're going to have fun with the higher-budget build, must be nice to get a few every now and then that can really do it all the way. Enjoy the build, and keep us informed.

We like to drool over the possibilities, even if we can't afford them.
 
Hap, can I be your apprentice? /bcforum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif
 
ChrisS said:
Hap, Two questions. Who has the multi slot timing sets in stock? I've had one on order for a couple of months and am still waiting. I've got a SPVP6 cam to time and offset keys won't do it. Trying to avoid the added expense of the vernier set. Also, which Tilton pedal set do you use? I horse traded for some parts last weekend and ended up with a set. Now I need to see if they'll fit.

Check with Winners Circle, check with Vicky Brit, check with Mini Mania, if that don't work out I'll sell you a Rollamster vernier for $200 which is less than most want for it, I only stock the verniers.

On the Tilton set up, there are two pedal ratios, I'm not going to tell you off my head I remember what pedal ratio I used in the past, that would be a good question to ask Tilton tech guys.
 
Westfield_XI said:
Sounds like the motor APT is building for me, just add a belt drive for the accessories, and hand worked SU's. I bet your delivery time won't slip 7 months either!!! The 1st due date was Jan. 1....Good thing I still have to build the car.

I'm good firends with David Anton and we talk alot, so yes what he's telling you on delivery time is realistic. I always get these goofy (well goofy to me) phone calls, "do you have a engine built and ready to go to sell me?", you feel like busting out laughing, but that would be rude, they don't know your business. The truth of it is, anyone worth their salt in this business doing engines is 4-6 months backlogged 12 months a year, SU carb building is one of my filler jobs, and I'm 5-6 weeks back there as well. Find a guy who can jump right on your job and well, maybe that says something about that guy, most of us in the industry, whether it be engines, carbs, restoration are always covered up and will be as long as we choose to continue in this line of work. I could disconnect my phone right now and have enough work to do for year, and so could many other guys in the bizz, so I tell people plan ahead!!!!!!!!!
 
Bob73RWA said:
Hap,

What horsepower do you get out of the $3,500 investment? Thanks!

Well I never dynoed one, because people building these engines don't want to pay $600-700 for dynoing, but based on other engines I built, you should be looking at aprox. 80 horsepower at the flywheel. Cam and compression are two things engines respond to the most, so even with my basic engine, they get a cam upgrade and a compression boost, after that it is a bunch of money for smaller gains. Porting a head would be the next thing in line, but that raise the budget over a stock reman head a good $700-900 extra.
 
Morris said:
Hap, can I be your apprentice? /bcforum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Morris they all end up wanting to kill me, because I'm such a anal cuss /bcforum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif
 
Hap, I am not complaining about APT, far from it. (well maybe a teensy bit) I know that most of a high end engine build up is skilled labor and that takes time....Although if I had my car finished and was waiting an extra 7 months for engine delivery I might feel differently.

How does that old saying go: you can have it quickly, cheaply or high quality, pick two......
 
Hap, your "fun" engine sounds about like the one I'm putting together. I've still got to get a set of roller rockers for it, all I have here is a Titan setup for a 948.
Probably go with an SPVP4 cam.
I still need to make a decision on the rods. Carillos are nice, but maybe a bit of overkill for a street engine, eh? /bcforum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif
Jeff
 
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