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Are you driving on old tires?

swift6

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The subject has come up in the Triumph Forum a few times but I thought it might be best to start a thread in the pub to inform as many people as possible.

The subject of driving on old tires because they still look good and show no signs of cracking. Tire don't always show their condition honestly. Rubber continues to alter its molecular structure throughout its 'life'.

There is an honest and valid reason that Automotive and Tire manufacturers suggest new tires every five to seven years regardless of mileage and its not just to sell more tires. The tires can easily become unsafe.

You might have done so in the past without suffering any problems but on something as inexpensive as tires why take the chance.

To illustrate my point. Some local club members found a 'time capsule' TR7 two years ago. This car had 2000 miles on it when purchased. EVERYTHING on the car was original from the factory and the car had been properly stored and cared for in its 'time capsule'. It was very amazing to look at and crawl around because of it's perfect, practically showroom condition. The tires LOOKED perfect, they still had all the rubber whiskers and everything. Looked brand new and by mileage traveled they were. Here was the odometer reading at the time of catastrophic tire failure.
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The first tire (a rear tire failed at 70mph on one of our local Interstates (smooth road, not driving excessively fast etc...). A light car with a rear blowout can be handful.

While the driver was attempting to safely get the car to the side of the road, another tire failed again catastrophically. The car finally came to a stop after rolling four times.

The driver was hospitalized for observation overnight. His wife, in the passenger seat, spent four days in serious condition with a broken neck and had to wear a neck and head brace for six months. Though both are now fine. Which actually says something for the strength of the car and its restraint systems (yes they were both wearing their seatbelts).

The real kicker is that for less than two hundred dollars (TR7's have small tires and even cheap tires today are better than good tires 35 years ago) they could have installed four brand new tires and still have an incredibly preserved TR7. Here is what is left of the car.



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Sobering isn't it.
 
This is an excellent point that gets overlooked by many classic car owners.

I'm glad the folks in the TR7 were able to survive that crash....I would have guessed that they would not have survived if you had not said so.

My Miata has excellent-looking Yoko ES100s that are almost 3 years old, with about 30,000 miles on them. These are a nice, high-end performance tire, but I'm ditching them in the Spring no matter how good they look.
Tires on race-Spridget never last more than 2 years, so that's never a problem.
 
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I replaced a perfect set of $800 tires on my TC. They still had the nubs on the treads and looked perfect. But they were 12-15 years old and dry, and I wasn't about to trust my life to them let alone my wife's life. It hurt to write the check, but I replaced all four plus inner tubes.

Someone recently said their spare tire blew out while still in the trunk!
 
Yup, to all. Have a set of "new" feet on the Elan, tread is 80~90%... six years old tho, so they'll get replaced when the roll-out is near. Same on the B. I'm gonna need to re-fi the hovel just to put shoes on my "kids'" feet!!!
 
Ordered Miss Agathas new boots yesterday.
 
swift6,back to 1974 and college, southern state pkwy. 63 vw right lane goin for all she was worth (wich wasnt much) left rear blows, who says a vw cant be a hand full? dont want to do that again,after some quick rear view mirror work and never touching the brakes i ever so gently objected to her one minded intended course and got that vw stopped on the left shoulder, good low miles used tires are better then the sneeks some of these cars come with, forget the shinny chrome valve cover,stereo,new stearing wheel,and first get ya feet on the ground, wished i had a spare pair of pantys that day! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/yesnod.gif
 
Thanks, Shawn, for reiterating a point I've tried to get across several times.
Reminds me of the tire ad where they ask "What is your future riding on?"
Jeff
 
Thanks for the reminder Shawn...The tires on the 6 have about 50% left, but are definatly old, and cracking between the treads....Once I get it insured I'll be replacing those before driving anywher, same goes for the B's which have maybe a few hundered miles on their tires...when those cars get insured new tires will go going on as well. The rest of my cars all have relatively new tires(yes,the local tire shops loves me).
 
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Thanks, Shawn, for reiterating a point I've tried to get across several times.
Reminds me of the tire ad where they ask "What is your future riding on?"
Jeff

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Since the topic had come up before I thought some photos could help cement the importance of current rubber. FWIW the owner of that TR7 replaced the old tires on all of his drivers as soon as he was able to. He definitely learned his lesson.
 
What a waste of a beautiful car. (Sure glad it was a 'Rumph, tho' - not a B /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif .)

Funny thing about tires: I replaced mine when I got the car this summer. Hadn't planned on it, 'cause the existing rubber looked great. Just couldn't keep air in two of them, though, and I finally saw the compression cracks in the rubber of one of them when it ran low.

All in all, cheap insurance.

R.
 
On a slightly different subject, I ran a local service station years ago. We had an older style tire changer that you would lay your tire horizonally across the machine and mount and dismount tires from. This put the tires about crotch level. I was mounting a used tire for a customer one day. As I was adding air to the tire, I stepped away from the machine for a second. I heard this "ping ping ping pop" sound coming from the tire. I turned toward it in just enough time to see the tire explode RIGHT where I had been standing FACING THE TIRE! Needless to say my life and the life of my then unborn children passed in front of me. I was always a little leery of that machine after that. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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