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Mickey Richaud

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I clearly remember seeing them when they first came out. Had a reputation of being a bit of a dog because of the weight of the 6 cylinder in front. I think it was a Healey engine.

Doubt many are left though.
 
They only built 764 MGC Gts with the automatic transmission, 484 for North American export, but only 258 for the British market, so this is one of 258 total production, not even year-specific. The MGC used an engine that was visually similar to the big Healey's, but was 2" shorter and used a seven-bearing crankshaft. Despite being larger in capacity, it produced less horsepower than the Healey's.
 
MGC's are a fairly common sighting in my experience.

I've read somewhere that the MGC was supposed to replace the Healey 3000, but obviously failed in that respect. I believe that by the late 1960's the Healey 3000 would have butted up against impending American safety regulations so unfortunately had to go. And of course 1967/68 was the rather clumsy and unfortunate creation of British Leyland.

In their day the MGC's weren't highly regarded but, like many cars, any teething problems they had have been solved 30-odd years later and now from what I've heard they make a fantastic sports car buy. And there seem to be a few to go around as well.

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I can personally attest to the C being a neat ride (see Member's Rides), not as practical as the B due to it's rarity (I have a B roadster as well) and a heck of a lot more thirsty. When put on modern rubber they are much better than their reputation would have you believe.

BTW only NA cars had the dual circuit boosters all RHD markets were single circuit. It's also quite unusual to still see one on it's original disc wheels.

As far as I know there are only 12 Cs in the whole of Western Australia (the national register last time a I checked listed 90, which in the scheme of such things is probably around a third of the total) of which two or three are automatics and the majority are GTs.

Definitely an enthusiast's car, interestingly most of the owners (here and abroad) are MGB and MGC owners, generally of alternating body styles (ie GT for one Roadster for the other).

8999 total built almost exactly evenly split between GTs and Roadsters (unlike the other "big engined MGB" there was a factory convertible of the C)

BTW Tony how goes your C Roadster?

regards

Tom
 
Gentelmen,
Here is the history of the MGC.

The MGC was firmly based on the MGB, and was intended as a replacement for the Austin-Healey 3000 which, by the time the MGC was announced in 1967, had had its day. It was powered by an in-line, six-cylinder, pushrod, OHV engine of 2912cc capacity that was capable of developing 150bhp. The bodyshell was essentially a basic MGB unit.

Both roadster and GT versions of the MGC were available, but the car was not received well by the press, despite the fact that it had a top speed approaching 120mph. They complained that its handling and acceleration were poor, and that it looked too much like the MGB. It was, however, a very good, long-legged touring car.

The MGC should have been one of the best-selling sports cars of all time, because in concept it offered a much improved performance over the MGB on which it was based, at a similarly low price. But sadly the MGC was to be very short lived, for in 1969 it was dropped from the MG range. No doubt that its poor reception by the press had affected sales, and by then MG had come within the British Leyland group, where Triumph products were looked upon with favour - and the MGC could have made life difficult for the Triumph TR6.

Engine and Suspension Differences
By the time the MGC was introduced, Abingdon had lost control of engine design to other sectors of the vast empire which was British Leyland. The MGC's new six-cylinder in-line engine turned out to be around 25kg too heavy, and the precious balance of the car - the foundation of every MG's fine handling characteristics - was destroyed. The car meant to replace the Austin-Healey 3000 had lost the Abingdon touch, but its other qualities have ensured that it is still much sought after today.
MG did it's best with the weighty problem of fitting the C-series engine into the MGB bodyshell. The main problem was that they were unable to place the engine as far back in the car as they would have liked to maintain the weight balance of the car, as it had to be able to accommodate the relatively bulky automatic transmission for the American market. Hence, the engine had to sit well forward in the engine space, which made the MGC very nose-heavy.

To accommodate the engine, some changes had to be made to the bodyshell and mechanics of the MGB. From the outside, the most obvious changes were the bulge in the bonnet and the 15 inch road wheels. The bonnet bulge was essential to clear the top of the long tall engine, and the larger radiator which it required.

It was also found necessary that the front crossmember, upon which the suspension and engine were mounted in the MGB, had to be removed to clear the bottom of the engine, in particular the oil sump. This meant revising the front suspension from the original coil spring set-up of the MGB to one which used torsion bars as the springing medium. These ran back longitudinally, to a mounting point below the floor, to transfer the suspension stresses back to the centre of the reinforced bodyshell. The rear suspension was essentially the same as the MGB, but a much stronger rear axle had to be fitted to accommodate the increase in power, and also the spring rates had to be increased both front and rear to accommodate the extra power and weight. There was also a new stronger, all synchromesh transmission for the same reason, and as with the B an optional automatic transmission.


The Demise of the MGC
When the first road test reports on the MGC appeared, MG engineers could not believe that the press had been driving the same cars which they had! The general handling of the car was panned by the press, it was said to suffer from terminal understeer, and to be an unworthy successor to the Austin-Healey, which had by now been discontinued. The press did not like the fact that it was so very similar to the MGB, and felt that it should have been a little more modern in its interior appointments.

However, there are few MGC's which would actually fail to get round a corner - the understeer is not "terminal". Looking at the weight balance of the car (53 : 47), will show that there is obviously a preponderance of weight at the front of the car, but this is less than most saloon cars of that period, and of most pseudo-sports cars.
It is likely that two factors contributed to the contemporary feeling that the car was nose-heavy. Firstly, the car looked like an MGB, and it was expected that everything else would be like the smaller car. Secondly, it is likely that the press were lulled into a false sense of security by the quiet and smooth running of the car, which was at a far better level than any other sports car to that date. These two points combined, and drivers found that they were travelling faster than they thought they were, with the result that the next corner would not have been "on" in any car!

The poor reception the press gave the MGC undoubtedly shortened its production life. Its introduction was soon followed by the formation of the British Leyland group, and the fact that the MGC and Triumph TR6 were competing for the same sector of the sports car market. There was considerable feeling against anything emanating from the old BMC part of the group at the time, and it took only a month or so for the board to make a decision on the future of the model. The MGC was dropped from the range in 1969, while the TR6 continued until 1976.
 
Todd - really interesting story. Funny that I car I would never have bought new for reasons listed above (bad press infleunce etc ) I would have now in a heart beat. As a MGB owner in 1965, I did not like Triumphs. Sort of Ford Chevy thing I guess. But now I would take any Triumph.
 
It's scary what kind of influence the media has on our lives and what choices we make. I've had my C since 1997 and would never part with it.
 
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