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Saw your MG in the large picture in the cameras thread. Great looking MGB. Why didn't they paint those black bumpers car color when they made them. Looks super!!! Nice color.
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Bruce, look here. https://morethanadoor.com/Picture020.jpg
I caught him at the Winter Park show at Meade Gardens unknowingly at the time. I didn't find out it was him until later.
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I caught him at the Winter Park show at Meade Gardens unknowingly at the time. I didn't find out it was him until later.
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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Bruce Bowker:
Saw your MG in the large picture in the cameras thread. Great looking MGB. Why didn't they paint those black bumpers car color when they made them. Looks super!!! Nice color.<hr></blockquote>
because back then they didn't have the flex additives we do today. the paint would have just popped off
Saw your MG in the large picture in the cameras thread. Great looking MGB. Why didn't they paint those black bumpers car color when they made them. Looks super!!! Nice color.<hr></blockquote>
because back then they didn't have the flex additives we do today. the paint would have just popped off
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chuck - just sand 'em with 40-ought, & shoot 'em with satin black rattle paint - right out of the can - &, it'll never crack!
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Tony, I sent all my rubber bumpers to JDW.
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Thanks Bruce - What Chuck said is right, the paints have come a long way...I think they were taking the economical route with the bumpers. Flex additives are just one reason, there were additives available then but certainly not like we have now (I've had some since the 70s, my dad used to use it in epoxy paints on model airplanes as long as I can remember). They could have made fiberglass covers rather than the super flexible stuff they ended up with, but all that would cost money to do. Just my opinion anyway.
The paint on my car is more than 10 years old now and holding up well, but the bumpers are starting to show their age. None of it has shown any willingness to flake off (I've seen lots of them that do), but it has started to crack in the really flexible areas. If it gets really bad I'll probably take them off, strip them, and have the local shop paint them again.
I usually get nice comments about the bumpers, people tend to like them I guess...but then last year someone really started ragging on my car at a show, he just beat it up constantly because it wasn't "original". Of course neither is the radio, the white seats/roof/tonneau, the leather covered steering wheel, the twin-SU carbs, the wheels, the tires, and any number of other things
The paint on my car is more than 10 years old now and holding up well, but the bumpers are starting to show their age. None of it has shown any willingness to flake off (I've seen lots of them that do), but it has started to crack in the really flexible areas. If it gets really bad I'll probably take them off, strip them, and have the local shop paint them again.
I usually get nice comments about the bumpers, people tend to like them I guess...but then last year someone really started ragging on my car at a show, he just beat it up constantly because it wasn't "original". Of course neither is the radio, the white seats/roof/tonneau, the leather covered steering wheel, the twin-SU carbs, the wheels, the tires, and any number of other things
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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by aerog:
...but then last year someone really started ragging on my car at a show, he just beat it up constantly because it wasn't "original". Of course neither is the radio, the white seats/roof/tonneau, the leather covered steering wheel, the twin-SU carbs, the wheels, the tires, and any number of other things
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Good point - I wonder how many of our group here has a truly original car. My TR3 was restored as faithfully as I could, but it will never again be original.
It is better though! IMHO, of course.
...but then last year someone really started ragging on my car at a show, he just beat it up constantly because it wasn't "original". Of course neither is the radio, the white seats/roof/tonneau, the leather covered steering wheel, the twin-SU carbs, the wheels, the tires, and any number of other things
Good point - I wonder how many of our group here has a truly original car. My TR3 was restored as faithfully as I could, but it will never again be original.
It is better though! IMHO, of course.
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My 1980 'B' is as original as most I would say. The only thing that I replaced was a water pump, otherwise it even has its original ignition system. Due to be rplaced I know, but at the moment it ain't broke!
The carpets were replaced by a PO, and there is a wooden Moto Lita steering wheel and gearshift knob, both period accessories, and they do look as old as the car. The roof is the original one, and has seen better days, but is used so rarely that it hardly seems worth it at the moment. The car has covered just 26,000 miles (just clicked over last week) and while the tyres have been replaced, probably due to age deterioration, the spare is the original.
So no, not 100 percent original, but few replacement parts.
The carpets were replaced by a PO, and there is a wooden Moto Lita steering wheel and gearshift knob, both period accessories, and they do look as old as the car. The roof is the original one, and has seen better days, but is used so rarely that it hardly seems worth it at the moment. The car has covered just 26,000 miles (just clicked over last week) and while the tyres have been replaced, probably due to age deterioration, the spare is the original.
So no, not 100 percent original, but few replacement parts.
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I hate those "originality" freaks. If originality is your goal, that's great, and it can be a fun pursuit. But to each his own, I say, and I've seen some great looking modified Bs, Scott's included. (Now, there IS such a thing as going too far. But modifications like Scott's are just taking the B where it might have gone, had it continued in production past 1980.)
My car is MOSTLY original...except for the alternator, I think it was all original when I bought it, but now I have contaminated it with full carpet and have leather replacements (ala MGB V-8) to put on soon and really ruin it...so sue me...I don't care as I tool down that road in comfort
At least I haven't swapped a v-6 or a v-8 into her...I think I will get another one to do that for when the kids are done with college HEHEHE
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At least I haven't swapped a v-6 or a v-8 into her...I think I will get another one to do that for when the kids are done with college HEHEHE
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Hard to maintain when someone is criticizing your hard work. Not sure how I would react....I expect not well. Guess they wouldn't like my improvements on the the heater blower, etc. that make the car work better, or non-stock fuse block for that dinky thing we have as original. It's your car and they can go suck a rock. I don't respect people who want you do it their way or evangelize their perspective. Understand their enthusiasm....just that it feels like they are insecure and get their buzz finding fault when you weren't trying to adhere to their standards in the first place. Nice to have originality types around...just isn't my deal either though mine looks pretty stock.
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Mine came with rubber mats and vinyl seats. Now I have the wonderful smell of leather and nice soft floors that don't pass as much heat through. To heck with originality. I told someone in the club where I used to belong that I drove my "B" to work every day. You never saw such a horrified look on a face in your life. He said, "You mean to tell me you actually drive your MG every day!!" I said, "wasn't that the original intent? If you want originality then drive it."
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Originally posted by aerog:
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...but then last year someone really started ragging on my car at a show, he just beat it up constantly because it wasn't "original".
Next time someone says that ask them if they, their girlfriend and/or wife are original.
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Totally agree with you, Bob, about the need to be driving these cars. As far as I'm concerned, a B is a living thing, and if you don't have it out on the road regularly, it's just going to start dying, no matter how pristine it looks in your garage.
Exactly what you said: The car were intended to be transportation, not toys. I'd drive mine anywhere.
Exactly what you said: The car were intended to be transportation, not toys. I'd drive mine anywhere.
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Here is the answer on originality from the SOL site (Place tongue firmly in cheek)
Q. Should I keep my older LBC perfectly original, with no modern "enhancements"?
A. Absolutely. Scrounge the junkyards for 30-40 year-old gas out of the tanks of cars wrecked long ago. Finding vintage air for the tires might be tougher; exhuming the dead to pump air from their lungs is frowned upon. Fill the glove box with antique unpaid parking tickets, most drivers in major cities have plenty of these. Old brake fluid is easy, as most of us on the List have many half-filled cans left over from previous brake jobs, and we'll be glad to sell it to you. BTW, Check out the List from your Univac computer with a baud rate of something like five or six.
Q. Should I keep my older LBC perfectly original, with no modern "enhancements"?
A. Absolutely. Scrounge the junkyards for 30-40 year-old gas out of the tanks of cars wrecked long ago. Finding vintage air for the tires might be tougher; exhuming the dead to pump air from their lungs is frowned upon. Fill the glove box with antique unpaid parking tickets, most drivers in major cities have plenty of these. Old brake fluid is easy, as most of us on the List have many half-filled cans left over from previous brake jobs, and we'll be glad to sell it to you. BTW, Check out the List from your Univac computer with a baud rate of something like five or six.
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TO be completely fair there are two, maybe three schools of thought on car restoration. The first group wants a certain (older) car that has some modern conveniences to help keep the car fun for them - and they drive the car every day. The other group wants to restore the car to be as close to "off the assembly line" as possible for concours judging. Neither is wrong, just different attitudes.
At the last show I went to (a Jaguar judged event) I asked about how they judge, some classes are judged based on how original the car is (down to the type and color of the electrical relays, that sort of thing).
Like I said, neither attitude is wrong - just different. If you want to drive your B every day that's your business, if you want to restore it to be showroom new to compete at Amelia Island then that too is your business.
What torqued me off about the guy commenting on my bumpers was he literally was telling everyone he could that they weren't "original". It was as if I'd committed some sort of horrible MG sin by not keeping them black. I appreciate both schools of thought I just mentioned, but this guy apparently had some kind of personal hang-up about cars without black bumpers. Go figure
At the last show I went to (a Jaguar judged event) I asked about how they judge, some classes are judged based on how original the car is (down to the type and color of the electrical relays, that sort of thing).
Like I said, neither attitude is wrong - just different. If you want to drive your B every day that's your business, if you want to restore it to be showroom new to compete at Amelia Island then that too is your business.
What torqued me off about the guy commenting on my bumpers was he literally was telling everyone he could that they weren't "original". It was as if I'd committed some sort of horrible MG sin by not keeping them black. I appreciate both schools of thought I just mentioned, but this guy apparently had some kind of personal hang-up about cars without black bumpers. Go figure
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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by aerog:
What torqued me off about the guy commenting on my bumpers was he literally was telling everyone he could that they weren't "original". It was as if I'd committed some sort of horrible MG sin by not keeping them black. I appreciate both schools of thought I just mentioned, but this guy apparently had some kind of personal hang-up about cars without black bumpers. Go figure
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I wonder if he could survive a hotrod show?
What torqued me off about the guy commenting on my bumpers was he literally was telling everyone he could that they weren't "original". It was as if I'd committed some sort of horrible MG sin by not keeping them black. I appreciate both schools of thought I just mentioned, but this guy apparently had some kind of personal hang-up about cars without black bumpers. Go figure
I wonder if he could survive a hotrod show?
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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by aerog:
TO be completely fair there are two, maybe three schools of thought on car restoration. The first group wants a certain (older) car that has some modern conveniences to help keep the car fun for them - and they drive the car every day. The other group wants to restore the car to be as close to "off the assembly line" as possible for concours judging. Neither is wrong, just different attitudes.
At the last show I went to (a Jaguar judged event) I asked about how they judge, some classes are judged based on how original the car is (down to the type and color of the electrical relays, that sort of thing).
Like I said, neither attitude is wrong - just different. If you want to drive your B every day that's your business, if you want to restore it to be showroom new to compete at Amelia Island then that too is your business.
What torqued me off about the guy commenting on my bumpers was he literally was telling everyone he could that they weren't "original". It was as if I'd committed some sort of horrible MG sin by not keeping them black. I appreciate both schools of thought I just mentioned, but this guy apparently had some kind of personal hang-up about cars without black bumpers. Go figure
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Thats really what I was refering to. I see nothing wrong with a person doing what he sees fit to do to his car. After all, he or she is the one that they have to satisfy but dont call another person wrong for doing something else. A car is a personal thing. And should be what the individual that drives it wants and causes them enjoyment.
That guy that I refered to with the horrified look when I told him I drove mine every day to work also thought I was commiting some horrible MG sin. At least that is the way I took it.
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TO be completely fair there are two, maybe three schools of thought on car restoration. The first group wants a certain (older) car that has some modern conveniences to help keep the car fun for them - and they drive the car every day. The other group wants to restore the car to be as close to "off the assembly line" as possible for concours judging. Neither is wrong, just different attitudes.
At the last show I went to (a Jaguar judged event) I asked about how they judge, some classes are judged based on how original the car is (down to the type and color of the electrical relays, that sort of thing).
Like I said, neither attitude is wrong - just different. If you want to drive your B every day that's your business, if you want to restore it to be showroom new to compete at Amelia Island then that too is your business.
What torqued me off about the guy commenting on my bumpers was he literally was telling everyone he could that they weren't "original". It was as if I'd committed some sort of horrible MG sin by not keeping them black. I appreciate both schools of thought I just mentioned, but this guy apparently had some kind of personal hang-up about cars without black bumpers. Go figure
Thats really what I was refering to. I see nothing wrong with a person doing what he sees fit to do to his car. After all, he or she is the one that they have to satisfy but dont call another person wrong for doing something else. A car is a personal thing. And should be what the individual that drives it wants and causes them enjoyment.
That guy that I refered to with the horrified look when I told him I drove mine every day to work also thought I was commiting some horrible MG sin. At least that is the way I took it.
Bob
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