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angelfj1

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My son asked me to drive his car while he is away this week. It's a 4 cyl. turbo diesel. So, I get in this morning and the gas guage reads "E".

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1. what's the deal with diesel at about $1 more than gasoline? Doesn't diesel require less energy to refine? Seem's like another screwin' by Dubya and company!!!! :rolleyes:

2. do your children leave you with an empty gas tank? :madder:
 
1. yea its a screwin`. By whom? It`s hard to say. I guess we`ll see when the next sombody and company take the helm, if the prices fall off or continue to rise.

2. Typical scenario whenever my son takes my car or truck. I think it`s a young adult thing these days. I hold my breath while driving to the station after he has used one of my vehicles. But now I know they will run on fumes, how far is the question!
 
What happens when its your mom or dad that takes your car and leaves it dry. Hate it when I visit home and they do that at 65 bucks a tank.

I think its mostly a supply demand thing augmented by the refiners putting a premium on it to pay for the switch to low sulfur plus the lack of competition and the deliberate supply reductions.

It's only going to go higher as the refineries are already complaining they are not making enough money on the fuel they are producing.

Anyone else love the fact that because we are now using less gas because of the high prices that we will have to pay even more for fuel to make up for the lost profits.
 
Diesel hit $4.04 a gallon here this morning.

Gentlemen, the $4.00 barrier has been broken.
It won't be too long now before the greedy SOBs
have it at $5.00

Isla Margarita, Venezuela: 8 weeks ago we saw
gasoline posted at $4 pennys a gallon.

d
 
Diesel is the bottom of the barrel, but now that it's being "de-sulphur'd" and it ~IS~ the fuel of the transportation industry, it'll continue goin' UP. It can only be affected by demand and suppy.Nothin' to do with who sits in the Oval Office chair. All goods will reflect the increase in "transportation" costs... Buy rail stock!!! NOW!!! :smirk:
 
DrEntropy said:
Diesel is the bottom of the barrel, but now that it's being "de-sulphur'd" and it ~IS~ the fuel of the transportation industry, it'll continue goin' UP. It can only be affected by demand and suppy.Nothin' to do with who sits in the Oval Office chair. All goods will reflect the increase in "transportation" costs... Buy rail stock!!! NOW!!! :smirk:
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Buying rail stock now is not a bad idea! But only for the long term. It took years to get where it's at now and it will take years for it to come back. But I think it will come back. I'm just surprised that the truckers haven't rebelled yet.(JMHO).
 
Not diesel but I filled the trucdk up today - Chevron station on 1 corner was $3.15, Exxon on opposite was $3.29, Walmart on 3rd angle of corner was $3.09....go figure!
 
Diesel has been far more expensive than gasoline here in So Cal for at least a couple years. I have no idea why people buy diesel cars and trucks!

Even considering fuel economy, it costs more to run diesel, it's harder to find when you need it, your car/truck sounds like crap and it stinks! Plus, diesel exhaust is much more harmful to human lungs than gasoline engine exhaust, partly because of what's in it and partly because it's heavy so we have to sit in a cloud of it on the freeway.

Down with diesel!!!
 
I saw on some show where European refineries use a different method of refining than the stateside ones do in order to make more diesel fuel. Since most everything over there runs on diesel, they are selling us their "leftover" gasoline. Looks like to me that biodiesel should have a bigger impact than it does now. Hey, what do I know. :confuse:
 
The good people in the City of Richmond, CA are saying no to the modernization and expansion of a refinery that could process less expensive, higher sulfur crude. It seems the big issue is carbon emissions and global warming.

I wonder how many of those against the project are complaining about the high price of fuel?

https://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/03/21/BAJCVOCD8.DTL
 
Paul said:
I'm just surprised that the truckers haven't rebelled yet.
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They don't (in th' main) own the companies. Consumers are the ones inb the end to decide whether or not to complain.

We live in interesting times.

As for diesel as a fuel: an internal combustion engine which can be run on all the dregs from the refined petro-tanks or the fryer grease outta the local MickeyD's... or a vehicle needing a refined product from dinosaur poop, well it's just ME hedgin' me bets. I'll be MOBILE for some period of time. I just gotta be creative if required. I opt fer choices:

"Hope fer th' best, plan fer th' worst."


....Potato peels? Bio-mass? Methane ain't efficient. But it may be available.
 
Spoke with a trucker the other day who is delivering me a new backhoe/loader. He said that 5 years ago the freight would have been $ 500.00. Today it's a $1000.00 mainly because the cost of fuel. Fortunately the company I bought it from paid the freight. If this keeps up, we'll have to go back to horses! So far, hay is cheaper and you can grow your own! Plus, you get the benefit of free fertilizer! And, who's laughing at the Amish now?
 
angelfj said:
1. what's the deal with diesel at about $1 more than gasoline? Doesn't diesel require less energy to refine? Seem's like another screwin' by Dubya and company!!!! :rolleyes:

2. do your children leave you with an empty gas tank? :madder:
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Oil is a VERY international industry. As a result of the large number of diesel cars in Europe, there is a very strong demand for diesel fuel in Europe which is being supplemented by diesel from American refineries. At the same time, American traders are buying large quantities of gasoline in Europe. No screwin going on just plain old supply and demand.

My oldest is 8 years old, and if she takes my car and leaves me with an empty tank I am going to be very mad.
 
DrEntropy said:
As for diesel as a fuel: an internal combustion engine which can be run on all the dregs from the refined petro-tanks or the fryer grease outta the local MickeyD's...
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You hit the nail on the head.

Ship engines (which recently have come under the spotlight for producing the largest bulk of CO2) are running on exactly that. The remains after all the lighter petrolium products are gone, like gasoline, diesel, engine oil, gear oil, grease, tar, asphalt, then what's left over is like glass at room temperature, and must be heated to 160 deg C in order to flow through the fuel pipes, then to be burned in ship Diesel engines.
Not exactly stuff for road going cars, but they do use up the heavy petrolium products that can't otherwise be used.

We have been recently testing alternative products for fuels.
Horse fat, other animal fat, liposuction fat (really).
 
What a lovely minds-eye image THAT conjures up, Donn!

It puts a different spin on the old WW-II radio announcer's "Blooper" about recycling cooking fat: "So, ladies! Take your fat cans down to the local..."

REFINERY!

:jester: :jester: :jester: :jester: :jester: :jester:
 
I work from home and there are times when the vehicle that is here for my use does not even move for a week or two, sometimes more. My wife works about 12 miles from home and we are now looking for a closer place to live to cut that down. Walking distance would be great and we could then get rid of one of our vehicles.
Our TR6 gets as many miles on it as we can do, but that is not optional.
There is a benifit to high gas prices, there is less people on the roads and that makes it more fun to drive.
 
Tom:<span style="font-style: italic"> "I work from home and there are times when the vehicle that is here for my use does not even move for a week or two, sometimes more. My wife works about 12 miles from home and we are now looking for a closer place to live to cut that down. Walking distance would be great and we could then get rid of one of our vehicles."</span>


Man - how much better off we'd be if we had the choice to use a decent mass transit system for those boring, repetitive trips.

We could use the car only when mass transit didn't serve the need. Otherwise, walk a block to the bus (rail, tram, etc.) stop. No need to buy your own fuel, insurance, maintenance, etc.

T.
 
tomshobby said:
There is a benifit to high gas prices, there is less people on the roads and that makes it more fun to drive.
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Boy, not where I live.
 
I still see these idiots in their
4WDs,& SUVs speeding around like gas is
still 50 cents a gallon.

- Doug
 
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