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My friend just brought home what looks like an early 100 (BN1/BN2) with the I6, based on the shape of the grill opening. I it has the taller grill of the early 100-4 which is somewhat confusing to me after doing some research. I know there was some prototyping done with the 6 thrown into the early chassis. Sorry about the poor pictures. Will post higher quality stuff sometime tomorrow when I have a chance to take them myself. Any help offered would be much appreciated!

Justin
 

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Looks like someone shoehorned a six-cylinder engine into the car.
 
Michael Oritt said:
Looks like someone shoehorned a six-cylinder engine into the car.
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Thanks! After doing some digging, I figured that was the case. I'm hoping it's one of the higher output six's. I know the I4's are more favorable in this chassis though. Will update this thread with better pics tomorrow.
 
I was thinking it doesn't look like one of the early six cylinders. Looks much later.
 
I notice they swapped in the 6 cylinder hanging pedal bulkhead brace on the right side so it may have been a well done swap.
 
Thanks for all of the replays! Any idea what something like this would be worth if a decent restoration effort was made or bought as is? Glad to hear the swap may have been done correctly.
 
So I see disc brakes in front w/dust shields - discs first seen about March '59, dust shields started about march '60.

Center change gearbox and fiberglass cover started about November '61.

Can't tell for sure but looks like 1 3/4" bore intake. Not a 'thermo-choke' head.

Overall, it makes me think it's a home-brew hot rod rather than a factory test mule but more research is called for. I love these kind of mysteries and will be looking forward to more pictures.

IMO the value is largely dependent on frame & structural integrity although hot rods are usually never as valuable as a correct factory produced car.
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In order to get the most for this car by restoring it, I think the best way to go would be to pull the engine and transmission, sell them, and restore with an original spec motor and transmission. Even still, I think you'd be upside down on the purchase. Restoring it in its present spec will cost more than it will ultimately be worth. You'd have to get it really cheap and do the work yourself to even have a shot I just don't see it being very desireable as a modified.
 
HealeyRick said:
In order to get the most for this car by restoring it, I think the best way to go would be to pull the engine and transmission, sell them, and restore with an original spec motor and transmission. Even still, I think you'd be upside down on the purchase. Restoring it in its present spec will cost more than it will ultimately be worth. You'd have to get it really cheap and do the work yourself to even have a shot I just don't see it being very desireable as a modified.
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Thanks for sharing your opinion! The car was free and we would be doing the work ourselves. I do machining/welding/fabricating for a living and my best friend used to do bodywork back in the day. I gave him all of my wife's uncles Sata paint guns so he can hook me up on projects like this. Lol! I think it would be a cool car to drive to work in from time to time.
 
ja_cain said:
Thanks for sharing your opinion! The car was free and we would be doing the work ourselves. I do machining/welding/fabricating for a living and my best friend used to do bodywork back in the day. I gave him all of my wife's uncles Sata paint guns so he can hook me up on projects like this. Lol! I think it would be a cool car to drive to work in from time to time.
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That's probably the best approach. Fix it up, drive it, enjoy it, and don't worry about the resale value.
 
I wish I had the coin to buy it. I always wanted to try a Honda F20C or F22C1 in a car like this. My brother has a Triumph GT6 that I would love to do the swap on. I know, sacralidge. Lol!
 
Mystified that no one has yet asked what the VIN is. Don't see the VIN plate and there's a "shadow" on the firewall and the two screws holes where it was mounted. (Why would it ever have been removed?) Is there a title? Any record of the VIN? From the green Armacord in the boot I think it's safe to assume that it's a BN1.

Knowing the VIN ("Car No." in BMC parlance) won't solve many mysteries, but it's always a good starting point and we could likely discover if the car was originally RHD or later converted from a left-hooker.

By the way, what's the story on what appears to be a blue long-hood 911 shown in one of the pics? If it is a long-hood 911 and you're restoring it and inclined to writing an article about the project, I'd be pleased to have it for another mag I produce, ESSES for the Early 911S Registry. Danke in advance.
 
Editor_Reid said:
Mystified that no one has yet asked what the VIN is. Don't see the VIN plate and there's a "shadow" on the firewall and the two screws holes where it was mounted. (Why would it ever have been removed?)
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Hi Ried, It depends on the state where it resided when the engine swap was done. I have a BN1 that I bought about 10/12 years ago from Craig Anderson that has a 289 Ford installed in about '68/'69 in the State of Missouri. At that time in Missouri an engine swap meant the equivalent of an 'assembled vehicle' so the State issued a new Missouri vin number on a Missouri ID plate and destroyed the factory vin number plate and any records of the previous factory vin number. So I have a title but it is impossible for me to get a Heritage Cert. to learn anything about the car because I don't know the original BN1 number.

This car may have suffered a similar fate depending on where it was when the swap was done.

Dave
 
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