Tires for vintage race spridget?

[BuggerAll]

So far with my hybrid vintage/SCCA spridget project I'm up to 2 sets of wheels, seeking 3rd set, either 5.5 or 6 x 13. Have radial rains for use in both series, two sets of slicks for SCCA (discontinued Hoosiers at a price I could not turn down). But what is the best DOT tire for use on spridgets which is accepted by major vintage race organizations? I know that 13" tires are getting hard to find - suggestions appreciated. Thanks for input

 

[Grampy]

Hi BuggerAll
I'm doing somewhat the same as you. I've got Hoosier slicks for SCCA and purchased Hoosier Street TD P185 60 D 13 for vintage from Bob Woodman here in SC. I'm curious to what your doing to your motor and what your using for ignition.

Glenn (grampy)

 

[aeronca65t]

I'm very happy with Toyo R888s.
I've also run Toyo RA1s.....another good choice.
Both are 185/60-13 size.

The R888 is about $5 more but it doesn't need to be shaved.

You can buy them -HERE-

 

[BuggerAll]

Thanks, Aeronca. I'll take a peek - and any line on a nice set of used rims you get, I'd appreciate dropping a line.
Grampy - for ignition I'm going to use a Pertronix flamethrower distributor. I had one on my street Bugeye before I converted it to crank trigger megajolt (and unwisely sold the flamethrower), but with the pertronix coil it seemed to be a good unit. With a race engine the most important thing is the total advance, if you are running your engine between 4000 and 7000 rpm, as a limited prep 1275 is set up to run, you should be at full advance throughout that range, which will be from 31 to 33 degrees BTDC. Other things I've done to engine: full prep rods (Hap), Venolia pistons, aluminim flywheel, modified clutch cover, solid center disc from WC, Cooper S damper, gilmer drive water pump with 4 1/4 inch pulley, nitrided crank, head flowed (you may have to go through a dozen 1316 heads to find a real good one - Hap can do this, or George Bauchman in Ohio, waisted stainless valves (yes, they are legal, they're pictured in the factory manual), secret LP cam, APT lifters, vernier cam drive. I spent a bunch of money back in March when the dollar was high against the pound buyiong stuff from Minisport, that's paying off -

 

[MadMarx]

In Europe most run on Yokohama A048 tires.
The Spitfires in our group swear on
Michelin TB 5 185/55 R 13 72 V
or
Michelin TB 5 175/60 R 13 72 V

Cheers
Chris (I run Yoko A048)

 

[Monkeywrench]

Most of the Spridget guys are using Street TDs, but from what I've seen on the MGB's we compete against, go with the Toyo R888's or Kumho V700's as they are heaps faster (cheaper and longer lasting too). There are a couple different compounds on the Toyos, so while they are fast in the 15" size, they might be importing them in a harder or softer compound for the 13" size. It would be best to do some research before you bought a set.

It might be easier to go with the bias ply Street TD's,as you won't have to change your suspension set up much compared to a bias-ply slick. (Radials like 2.5-3 degrees of negative camber).

 

[Hap Waldrop]

A big thing if switching from cantilever SCCA slicks to say DOT rubber, is the fact the DOT rubber loves negative camber the more you can give it, the better it likes it, 3-4 degrees is optimal with the DOT rubber, the cantilever slick however with their brick hard sidewall, won't roll over under cornering, so they require a lot less negative camber more like 1-1.5 degrees. The trick might be to run the stock upper trunnion with the WC offset bushing for SCCA, and then get a set of Peter May offset upper trunnions for vintage. I've got a set of those for my vintage Spridget project.

 

[Westfield_XI]

What about the Dunlop 15" bias vintage race tires? Are they any good?

 

[MadMarx]

Vintage groups in Europe do use the Dunlop racing tires (L and M) but they cost double of a Yoko tire. Groups who run modified don't use that tire as it is not as sticky as the Yokos and brothers.

Cheers
Chris

 

[BuggerAll]

How is that R888 as a rain tire? Looks like a dry-track only. R1 looks like it might be the better rain rubber - any other recommendations? Also, can you fit the Kumho 235/45 on a Sprite? Thanks -

 

[aeronca65t]

The 888 is an excellent rain tire.

Here's an example on my car:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9_7lk3FPRI

 

[BuggerAll]

Thanks, Aeronca, I'll look later (no You-tube at work!) - given my budget and plans, there will be only one set of rains for both vintage and SCCA, so R888s it is...finally scored my third set of wheels, some vintage real Minilites.

 

[VelodromeRacer]

Hey-
Here is a link to a VSCDA race in my Bugeye this past August. I run a 1275 motor-Petronix Ignition, and the Hoosier Street Td tires..(On a nice set of Superlites from Hap!) I love how the car handles..I run 1.5 degrees of front camber and around 18psi in the front and rear tires. They are predictable..I race 6 times per year and get 1 year out of a set. They love to slide...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yxx_a7wvcBk

 

[BuggerAll]

Just had my guys pick up the R888s from a local dealer in Michigan, had him come down to the Frisby's price plus ship, so that worked out okay. Those Hoosiers are bias-ply, no? Guess that's why the low pressure, that's in race slick pressure range. will look at the youtube later -