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Picture of an early widescreen frame
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Maybe someone knows the difference between the frames for the early single sewn in window frame vrs The later sliding window frames? The car came with bare frames that appear to be of the later Dzeus style, having the Dzeus holes on the mounting arms and channels for the sliding windows. The car has the wedge style mounting brackets. So, having never seen what an early style sidescreen looks like, I am just trying to get a handle on what the differences are...what I am looking for in a replacement...or even someone that has an early style they'd sell...
Any descriptions are appreciated!
Thanks,
Maybe someone knows the difference between the frames for the early single sewn in window frame vrs The later sliding window frames? The car came with bare frames that appear to be of the later Dzeus style, having the Dzeus holes on the mounting arms and channels for the sliding windows. The car has the wedge style mounting brackets. So, having never seen what an early style sidescreen looks like, I am just trying to get a handle on what the differences are...what I am looking for in a replacement...or even someone that has an early style they'd sell...
Any descriptions are appreciated!
Thanks,
Marvin Gruber
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I'll look tomorrow. The TR2 curtains were a little different. I have several sets of frames but most are the dz type. I'll let you know if I have extra wedge type frames.
Marv
I'll look tomorrow. The TR2 curtains were a little different. I have several sets of frames but most are the dz type. I'll let you know if I have extra wedge type frames.
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I noticed the "wide" curtain but thought to let it go. Only one early wide screen operational in my area.
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The solid window sidecurtains were only very early, up to TS8636. After that (up to TS28825, which includes early TR3A), the rear window slid but the mounts were still the wedge type. I don't know that the frames were different between these two types of "wedge mount" curtains, but I suspect there is at least some small difference.
The later wedge mount frames (like those for TS13571L) are two pieces; the main frame with the mounts only goes around the window area. The bottom half is a separate piece, basically just very heavy wire (about 3/16" IIRC) that outlines the flap with the zipper.
I have what I believe are the original curtains from TS13571L (somewhere), but as I said I don't know they are the same. Most likely not exactly, as I think the channel has to be wider to allow for the sliding Perspex window.
PS, there were also two variants of solid window sidecurtains. Up to TS5255 the flap was attached to the body with Tenax fasteners; LTDs were used from TS5256 onwards. Until of course the Dzus mount curtains, which had no fasteners at all along the bottom edge.
The later wedge mount frames (like those for TS13571L) are two pieces; the main frame with the mounts only goes around the window area. The bottom half is a separate piece, basically just very heavy wire (about 3/16" IIRC) that outlines the flap with the zipper.
I have what I believe are the original curtains from TS13571L (somewhere), but as I said I don't know they are the same. Most likely not exactly, as I think the channel has to be wider to allow for the sliding Perspex window.
PS, there were also two variants of solid window sidecurtains. Up to TS5255 the flap was attached to the body with Tenax fasteners; LTDs were used from TS5256 onwards. Until of course the Dzus mount curtains, which had no fasteners at all along the bottom edge.
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Thanks,
I'm looking for TS 5248, so I believe it's the earliest version with the solid window. On a couple pics I have found, it looks like "solid" is actually the same "soft" material that is used in the top rear windows. Whereas the later style, after 5255, had a lower frame down at the cockpit coming, it to me looks like the early version was just a soft vinyl flap that was held by the tenax to the coming. I'm just at a bit of a loss having never seen one, so don't know what I'm looking for for a replacement.
I'm looking for TS 5248, so I believe it's the earliest version with the solid window. On a couple pics I have found, it looks like "solid" is actually the same "soft" material that is used in the top rear windows. Whereas the later style, after 5255, had a lower frame down at the cockpit coming, it to me looks like the early version was just a soft vinyl flap that was held by the tenax to the coming. I'm just at a bit of a loss having never seen one, so don't know what I'm looking for for a replacement.
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Here is a description of differences from TRF. Cheers, Mike
https://www.the-roadster-factory.com/side_curtain_flyer.htm
https://www.the-roadster-factory.com/side_curtain_flyer.htm
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Similar, but not the same I think. The material in the side curtains was thinner and hard enough that it would break if you tried to bend it very far. But still not solid (as in stiff) by any means. Just "solid" in the sense that they were all one piece.
Stupid suggestion : Have you thought about just shipping them to TRF? They know all this stuff, and from what I've seen do an outstanding job of restoration.
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I found a set of TR2 side curtains. They are actually in pretty decent shape. I'll email you about them.
Marv
I found a set of TR2 side curtains. They are actually in pretty decent shape. I'll email you about them.
Marv
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Thanks all.
Randall, the ones that came with the car are the wrong year...they fit the sliding window and dzeus fastener vintage, so they can't be rebuilt to the old wedge style. That's why I sound so ignorant about them, because I am! I have never seen what they are supposed to look like.
Mike, that helped a good bit in knowing what I am looking for.
Marv...I PM'd you about a road trip!
Thanks again everybody!
Randall, the ones that came with the car are the wrong year...they fit the sliding window and dzeus fastener vintage, so they can't be rebuilt to the old wedge style. That's why I sound so ignorant about them, because I am! I have never seen what they are supposed to look like.
Mike, that helped a good bit in knowing what I am looking for.
Marv...I PM'd you about a road trip!
Thanks again everybody!
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As usual, I'm a day late and dollar short. Are these helpful? from Piggott's Original Triumph TR2/3/3A
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I restored some early side curtains several years ago.The odd thing was the lower half had
its own separate frame so it could be fastened down then lifted up for egress.This presumably allowed for the solid
window. We cut down some later curtains and made new lower frames from the only pattern piece we had.(Rusty
gold)Then we used the sliders as they were easy to get and gave better ventilation......I recall it was TS 8xxx L
an early 56 by the heritage certificate.
MD
its own separate frame so it could be fastened down then lifted up for egress.This presumably allowed for the solid
window. We cut down some later curtains and made new lower frames from the only pattern piece we had.(Rusty
gold)Then we used the sliders as they were easy to get and gave better ventilation......I recall it was TS 8xxx L
an early 56 by the heritage certificate.
MD
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John:
Bill Lynn, VTR's membership director, has written a guide to TR2 originality and it is very correct and highly recommended. Find it at www.vtr.org/TR2/thoseTrailblazingTwos.shtml
Lou Metelko
Auburn, Indiana
54 TR2LD
Bill Lynn, VTR's membership director, has written a guide to TR2 originality and it is very correct and highly recommended. Find it at www.vtr.org/TR2/thoseTrailblazingTwos.shtml
Lou Metelko
Auburn, Indiana
54 TR2LD
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Hey, thanks for the link, Lou. I'm busy reading it and trying to absorb the differences between it and what I thought I knew 
A question, if you don't mind, can you explain why the location of the wiper motor affected where the wiper arms parked? The motor can obviously drive the arms through whatever the sweep is, and the park location (at least on the later motors, not sure about the earlier ones) can be adjusted to anywhere in the sweep. Also, the link for "parked on the right" actually shows them parked on the left. I thought the photo might have been reversed, but one of the earlier photos shows what appears to be the same car and it is clearly LHD.
A question, if you don't mind, can you explain why the location of the wiper motor affected where the wiper arms parked? The motor can obviously drive the arms through whatever the sweep is, and the park location (at least on the later motors, not sure about the earlier ones) can be adjusted to anywhere in the sweep. Also, the link for "parked on the right" actually shows them parked on the left. I thought the photo might have been reversed, but one of the earlier photos shows what appears to be the same car and it is clearly LHD.
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